If you believe that there is no God or satan,.......?

Question

then where do you think magicians and fortune tellers get their powers? I'm sure it's not due to some deep meditation and suddenly they experienced this enlightenment and were able to unlock magical powers.

On another topic. Some scientists base their belief on proof. They want visual proof that there is a creator of the earth. I believe this proof is visually evident right in front of our eyes by the design of things. Romans 1:20 states that:"For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable"

I'm sure there is no other proof needed to decide whether there is a designer other than seeing the things designed.

Scientists also say living things evolved through mutation of organisms. My question is if that were the case, what started the mutation? What caused the first specie to evolve?

Answer 1

I BELIEVE IN GOD

Answer 2

I think magicians are just talented illusionists and fortune tellers are fake. Any trick loses it's allure once you know how it works.

This "proof of creation" could just as easily be called "proof of evolution". It's just as impressive. The only difference is that there is a large body of evidence supporting evolution. Organisms do mutate over a long period of time. Some longer than others. One short-term example would be drug-resistant bacteria and viruses. Strains mutate. It's a small-scale example, but hopefully it will suffice. For a more in-depth answer, check into The Origin of Species.

Intelligent Design doesn't promote the questions of "why?" and "how?"; it simply begs blind acceptance. When it comes down to finding any shred of evidence at all, it just doesn't pan out.

ETA: In response to Jessica:
Jeramiah 20:7 O LORD, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived; thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me.

2 Thess 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie


So, according to the bible, god does lie. Just a thought.

Answer 3

Magicians like Penn and Teller? I've got a secret for you - they're tricking you. It's an illusion.

The bible is not a scientific publication. Doesn't matter what Romans 1:20 says. In fact, in the first ten words, the statement contradicts itself - "... invisible qualities are clearly seen ...."

Yes, there's plenty of proof needed. Seeing the things being designed would be a good one - unfortunately, nobody's seen that yet. We see things that might have the appearance of being designed, but we have yet to see the designer, and appearances can be deceiving. Ask Penn and Teller, again. They make a living that way.

Answer 4

there is a God and there is satan, otherwise where can good and evil come from...look at your body, you are made of molecules, atoms, nerves...i really do not believe that atoms and molecules were able to mutate enough to be able to start 'thinking' eventually....its impossible. Did you know that evolution takes just as much faith as it does to believe in a Deity? Evolution is STILL a 'theory' and so is the Big Bang. God made us from nothing, as hard as it is for our little human minds to understand, its the way it has been and always will be. Would God lie? I dont think so. Plus, did you hear about the fruit fly experiment? These little creatures multiply incredibly fast, and these scientists made it so that some would mutate, and NO mutations were found to be beneficial. And that was tested on 3000 generations of fruit flies ... so...how could a mutation from a little organism be so beneficial as to eventually creating us humans whose bodies are so incredibly complex? My answer is...there was no mutation. No species evolved. We were all created by the almighty God. Just read Genesis.

Answer 5

I don't need visual proof that there is electricity in that wall socket. If I stick my finger in there I will get a strong invisible proof that there is electricity. (secret: scientists don't always want visible proof.)
Mutations get caused by radioactivity, many chemicals, rare mistake in transcriptions. There are many more ways, but you can get all of those in a basic biology book. Please read one.

Magicians get their powers with much practice and imagination. It's a skill and it does take a while to master good tricks and imagination to come up with new ones.

On another topic: Shouldn't you do your homework right now?

Answer 6

I can't tell if you're trolling, so I'll take you seriously just in case.

Fortune tellers are guessers, magicians are illusionists.

Claiming that the Bible has written there is invisible proof is not proof.

We should not confuse order for design.

Abiogenesis is a new science, but it only takes one self-replicating RNA and a few billion years.

Answer 7

In man's poor, poor attempt to explain why we are here, and his brain not able to grasp the facts, he invents a GOD that put us here. Religion was then invented to explain how GOD got here.

Don't believe in magic?
Abbra-kadabbra-POOF-God creates everything. That's magic if I am not mistaken.

There is a life force, not good or bad, not a thinking force, but an energy force in the universe. This is the power that people try to call GOD. We can tap it, it is us, in us, all around us. It is TAO.

But then you did not ask your question to get answers. You asked to tell every one else that they are wrong.
That is what christians are trained to do.

Peace and harmony to you on your quest for the truth.

Answer 8

You're silly, and I'm sorry to hear that you actually believe the stuff you're parroting. Don't worry, there are plenty of others that think you're perfectly sane with an excellent grasp of what is true. Unfortunately, those same people will tell you that there's a man in the sky that watches everything you do, and will torture you forever if you don't tell him he's the best thing EVER.

Answer 9

1) Abiogenesis and evolution are separate (but related) facts.
2) There is no evidence that magic or fortune telling are anything but illusions.
3) Your design argument is an argument from incredulity, and begs the question, since the actual point of contention is whether or not biological entities suggest design.

Answer 10

Sure, and the Bible is a completely infallible work which is 100% reliable and should be trusted without a doubt.

Riiight.

Please post your source on magicians and fortune tellers who have been proven to have their "powers".

Answer 11

All stage magicians are fakes. If you nail them down they will freely admit that it is all trickery. They make money becasue people like to be tricked. (In controlled environments)

Show me a real fortune teller. They would have to be very rich with their stock market investments and race track betting.

Or could it be that they are all fakes too. Playing on the gullibility of the people that go visit them.


Scientist do not want proof. Go learn about the scientific process. They work towards building the most accurate model of the universe that they can based on measurement and repeatable experiments. God is neither measurable or repeatable, so he does not figure in their model.

The fact that they have created an extensive natural model means that god is not necessary. Just because you do not understand the processes that have resulted in the Earth as we see it today does not mean that God Did It. You are starting with the conclusion based on an assumption and then declaring your assumption right based on the conclusion you have reached. This is circular logic, and is not acceptable to scientist who would, at minimum, want so independent evidence.


Mutation is the result of chemical and physical processes. Why does the sun shine? Why is water wet? Why does Uranium 234 have a half life of 244,000 years?

These things are as they are because they have to be something. If changes to the genetic code did not happen though the known processes that cause mutations then they would have to happen some other way.

If they did not happen to long chain molecules of amino-acids then life would not be based on those chemicals.


I suspect that you are looking at this the wrong way around. You should not look at path we have evolved though and think how incredible it is that we have arrived here. You need to realize that as soon as life started down a path it had to end up somewhere. It just happens to be here. If something had been slightly different, we might have ended up 'there' - on a different planet with a chlorine based atmosphere with a tri-lateral symmetry. And some people would still think that it was incredible that they ended up that way. But they had to end up somewhere.

Or could it be that they are all fakes too. Playing on the gulibility of the people that go visit them.


Scientist do not want proof. Go learn about the scientific process. They work towards building the most accurate model of the universe that they can based on measurement and repeatable experiments. God is neither measurable or repeatable, so he does not figure in their model.

The fact that they have created an extensive natural model means that god is not necessary. Just because you do not understand the processes that have resulted in the Earth as we see it today does not mean that God Did It. You are starting with the conclusion based on an assumption and then declaring your assumption right based on the conclusion you have reached. This is circular logic, and is not acceptable to scientist who would, at minimum, want so independent evidence.


Mutation is the result of chemical and physical processes. Why des the sun shine? Why is water wet? Why does Uranium 234 have a half life of 244,000 years?

These things are as they are becasue they have to be something. If changes to the genetic code did not happen though the known processes that cause mutations then they would have to happen some other way.

If they did not happen to long chain molecules of amino-acids then life would not be based on those chemicals.


I suspect that you are lookin at this the wrong way around. You should not look at path we have evolved though and think how incredible it is that we have arrived here. You need to realize that assoon as life started down a path it had to end up somewhere. It just happens to be here. If something had been slightly different, we might have ended up 'there' - on a different planet with a chlorine based atmosphere with a tri-lateral symetry. And some people would still think that it was incredible that they ended up that way. But they had to end up somewhere.