Creationists: what books about evolution have you read that were NOT written by a creationist?

Question

Title and author, please.

Again, TITLE and AUTHOR, please.

athanasius_was_right: That's a tough one (and I am a biologist). I could recommend some better ones for you if you're interested.

ecterbob: very good.

Jason R: cognitive dissonance is very powerful. I just think most creationists do not read science books, PERIOD.

The lack of responses on my question demonstrates it.

Infested: My question is directed towards creationists.

delsydebothom: I always thought you were a theistic evolutionist; am I wrong?

delsydebothom-
I have a great book for you if you want to understand the origin of the higher taxa (and you know you can always ask me questions): "Endless Forms Most Beautiful: The New Science of Evo Devo" by Sean B. Carroll.

It's an excellent book.

(BTW, I bought the one you recommended - "The science before science" - it will be my next project).

Answer 1

The Origin of Species by Charles Darwin
Evolution by Mark Ridley
Biological Evolution by Peter W. Price

Does this have a point?

I mean, is it that you believe no one could truly read, "real" books on evolution and still be a creationist.

Answer 2

Darwin, Charles, "The Origin of the Species." (1909 P F Collier and Son Company, New York)

Bateson, William, "Materials for the Study of Variation Treated with Especial Regard to Discontinuity in the Origin of the Species." (1894 Macmillan and Co., New York)

And many articles online.

Sadly, I've never seen the two views pitted against each other by persons at the Ph.d level, since evolutionist scientists are either too impatient to patronize for the sake of the general public, or too attached to their own view to consider alternatives. If there is a third option, I'm unaware of it.

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I don't know what I think of this issue. I believe that Christianity and Evolution are not at odds with one another as such (viz. the biological workings of animals are not de fide). Don't misunderstand me; I have been thoroughly convinced that evolution has been observed, insofar as I trust those who claim to have seen speciation occur.

That said, I don't know that the current diversity of life on Earth is the direct result of the natural process of evolution; there are the difficulties in explaining the huge leaps in the fossil record, for instance, not in terms of single species, but of entire kingdoms seeming to rise and fall out of nothing. At the very least, I feel natural selection is a partial, but incomplete explanation of the phenomenon of life.

Unfortunately for my sanity, having only a basic scientific knowledge of biology, geology et al, I am not qualified to make any real judgments about the matter. I thus attempt to give the two sides the best "shake" my phlegmatic intellect can muster, remaining emotionally detached. The result is intellectual frustration, since neither side seems willing to really be fair with the other.

Neither side are disinterested; both have a bone to pick with the other, resembling a sort intellectual civil war. War, of course, has as its end the defeat of the other side--not the objective validation of its own reasons for existence.

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Completely unrelated; could you answer this question:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=ApwahMgEC0JhCmSzdHccEOrsy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20071217152009AA5eK9s

Thanx!

Edit:

I just bookmarked that book. I'll give it a read when I get the time for leisure :)

Answer 3

I believe evolution was the method used by God to bring creation into existence, so does that make me a creationist? If so, I've read some Darwin, a good bit of Gould, and of course my college biology textbooks.

Edit--oh, titles. The Origin of Species by Charles Darwin (read it years ago, so please don't ask me to quote), and several of Gould's collections of essays, I'm thinking one was The Panda's Thumb? and a book on The Scopes Monkey Trial. I just remember that one because it had a photo of Gould sitting in the town where the trial took place, having a cold soft drink with some of the town residents. The cutline was about how that was how such disputes should be discussed (talking together on a lovely day over refreshment) and I thought 'yes, that is the way to discuss such things.' Odd what sticks in our minds, isn't it? (or maybe just my mind)

Answer 4

charles Dawkins: "selfish gene","blind watchmaker"
Jared Diamond "the third chimpanzee"
Lewis Thomas -various essays like medusa and snail, zoungest science, live of the cell ... not that much of evolution, but plenty of science and knowledge

and the Pandas thumb, .. that is Gould i think.

all but the last one are in my library right now.
last one is deployed.. by my parents.

Answer 5

I have dabbled with Gould's Structure of Evolutionary Theory ... but I am not a scientists, so it is slow plodding.

Ath

Answer 6

My science textbook

Answer 7

well in public school is was most science text books, however, it was public school that I saw the most lies. The bible is truth evolution is a false religion

Answer 8

eeerrrrrr

Does Genesis count......

Answer 9

none not interested have read the bible several times.