What do you know about Jehovah's Witnesses' "chieftain class"??

Answer 1

Wacthtower 2/1/99, pg 19, par 22:

"As the number of the spirit-anointed remnant on earth has decreased, mature brothers of the great crowd have been given spiritual oversight of almost all the congregations worldwide. And as the last aged anointed Witnesses finish their earthly course, princely sa·rim′ of the other sheep will have been well trained to carry out administrative duties as the chieftain class on earth."

JAG OO, I don't know if Jimi is an apostate, but I am. What he says in his answer is completely factual.

But I guess one shouldn't rely on the biased word of an "apostate"

I guess you can only ask the Witnesses, if you want a purely honest, unbiased, un-spun answer to any question.

I mean they never spin things, like 1975, 1925, 1914, flip flops on voting, organ transplant, alternative military service, just to mention a few.

Incidentally, I was a witness for 50 years and I experienced the alternative military service and organ transplant flip flop, first hand. Look it up on your CD.

Before you insult someone, why don't you try to bring some facts to the discussion.

UPDATE GIA P: do you see the above Watchtower? Look up chieftain class on your CD.

You are a prime example of the un knowledgable witnesses. You don't even know what your own literature says. Do some "personal study".

The Watchtower identifies the Chieftan Class. Look it up.

UPDATE BAR_ENOS: Apostates can't make it? What does that mean?

You mean, it is so hard to be a Witnesse sheep, to be told to believe conflicting things and have to believe them? I guess I can't make it because I don't believe lies and I actually look up facts. Your own literature contradicts itself continuosly.

I guess I'm not a "sheep", easily led. That is a great label for the easily decieved.

UPDATE: ACTUNG, I'm surprised at you. Look up chieftain on your CD. They most certainly do use it. It makes no differance to me if they use it or not, but you, Super JW didn't know this and I did. What else don't you know?

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Answer 2

Jehovah's Witnesses do not have a "chieftain class." They have ones who take the lead in the congregation making sure everything runs in an orderly fashion (1 COR. 14:33,40). The meetings are divided up throughout the week and the different talks are assigned to different members of the congregation so everyone gets the oppurtunity to participate. You do have the option to not take the assignments given. Everyone is admonited to not only listen to what is said but also to research what was said so the the truth can be made there own.

Answer 3

The prophetic 45th Psalm depicts Christ appointing his resurrected former forefathers to serve as earthly princes in the new world.

Also, Ezekiel speaks about chieftains apart from the priestly class. So there will be some sort of earthy administrative office during the 1,000-year reign of Christ—but not necessarily the office of elders and ministerial servants as they presently exist in the framework of the anointed Christian congregation.

Answer 4

The work of the chieftain is outlined in the Bible book of Ezekiel. Who or what the chieftain is is identified by those who are doing his work.

100% of the comments made by apostates is trash and drivel. There's no enlightenment there, just the grumbling opinions of those who can't make it.

Noisy Jabbering Goat and those seduced by apostates have nothing worthy to say. It's the blind leading the blind.

Answer 5

No, but if it is the leadership, I can just imagine what it is if it is true that Russellite leaders are believed to be the "correct" intepreters of Holy Scripture. This inevitably would make them tantamount to the evil Sanhedrin of old who tried every which way to do away with Jesus.

And, if it's that spurious group of 144,000 who allegedly have a first class ticket to the Lord's table and Heaven, and everybody else is squished in the cabin section, but never can partake and get off at destination Heaven, please tell me more so I can laugh at this utterly foolish doctrine of men par excellence, then cry for those who have been snatched by Satan off that narrow road that would otherwise lead them to eternal life.

Btw, very well said, Bar Enos!

Answer 6

Short and to the Point:

If by "chieftain class" you mean the elders and others with responsibilities in their religion, then i can tell you, there is no distinction between them and other members.

The only difference is that they have more duties in the congregations, like giving speeches, etc.

They dont get paid for none of this, so their work is admirable.

Answer 7

No, such thing. All of Jehovah's people are equal men , women and children alike serving all together with one goal and one purpose.

Answer 8

Jehovah's Witnesses do not apply the title (or term) "chieftain" to any human today.

It seems rather obvious that Christ is the "chieftain to time indefinite" who is nicknamed "David my servant" in the bible book of Ezekiel .
...(Ezekiel 37:25) .David my servant will be their chieftain to time indefinite.
...(Ezekiel 34:23-24) And I [Jehovah] will raise up over them one shepherd, and he must feed them, even my servant David. He himself will feed them, and he himself will become their shepherd. And I myself, Jehovah, will become their God, and my servant David a chieftain in the midst of them. I myself, Jehovah, have spoken.


Of course, the Scriptures several times refer to Jesus by the name "David", indicating his Davidic Messianic kingship..
...(Isaiah 16:5) A throne will certainly be firmly established; and [Christ] must sit down upon it in trueness in the tent of David, judging and seeking justice and being prompt in righteousness
...(Jeremiah 33:15-17) [Jehovah] shall make sprout for David a righteous sprout, and he will certainly execute justice and righteousness in the land. ...For this is what Jehovah has said, ‘There will not be cut off in David’s case a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel.


Jehovah's Witnesses believe the bible to teach that God's Kingdom government will restore its rulership to the earth, and paradise conditions along with it. As with any government, it seems obvious that God and Christ will institute some organization, the details of which are unimportant at this time but perhaps alluded to by what happened in ancient Israel and what was discussed by the prophets.

Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Ezekiel's prophecy alludes to the administration of God's kingdom on earth after Armageddon. It seems unsurprising to imagine that Christ would utilize subsidiary "chieftains" on earth just as there were in ancient Israel to assist Moses and other leaders.
...(Exodus 16:22) So all the chieftains of the assembly came and reported it to Moses.
...(Exodus 18:25-26) Moses proceeded to choose capable men out of all Israel and to give them positions as heads over the people, as chiefs of thousands, chiefs of hundreds, chiefs of fifties and chiefs of tens. And they judged the people on every proper occasion. A hard case they would bring to Moses, but every small case they themselves would handle as judges.


Jehovah's Witnesses have noted that it seems likely that congregation elders are receiving training now which may prove applicable to some of the tasks associated with the subsidiary "chieftains" in Ezekiel's vision. However, Jehovah's Witnesses have never insisted that current elders are a "chieftain class", or pretended that they can know who God and Christ will appoint to positions of responsibility in the coming manifestation of God's Kingdom government on earth after Armageddon.

Learn more:
http://watchtower.co.uk/e/rq/index.htm?article=article_14.htm
http://watchtower.co.uk/e/jt/index.htm?article=article_07.htm

Answer 9

Here's an excerpt from W99:

As the article states "
The words “prince” and “chieftain,” which have similar meanings in Hebrew, are NOT USED AS TITLES DESIGNED TO EXALT MEN"

The Chieftain—Who Is He?

13 Now an intriguing question arises. Whom, then, does the chieftain represent? Since he is spoken of both as an individual and as a group, we may assume that he represents a class of men. (Ezekiel 44:3; 45:8, 9) But who? Surely not the anointed. In the vision, he works closely with the priesthood, but he is not one of them. Unlike the priestly class, he is given an inheritance in the land and thus has a future here on earth, not in heaven. (Ezekiel 48:21) Further, Ezekiel 46:10 says: “As regards the chieftain in their midst, when they [the nonpriestly tribes] come in [to the temple’s outer courtyard], he should come in; and when they go out, he should go out.” He does not enter the inner courtyard but worships in the outer courtyard, entering and exiting the temple with the people. These factors decidedly place the chieftain among the great crowd of the other sheep.

14 Clearly, the chieftain has some responsibility among God’s people. In the outer courtyard, he sits in the porch of the East Gate. (Ezekiel 44:2, 3) This would indicate a position of oversight, similar to that of the older men in Israel who sat at the gate of the city and rendered judgment. (Ruth 4:1-12; Proverbs 22:22) Who among the other sheep hold offices of oversight today? Elders with an earthly hope who have been appointed by holy spirit. (Acts 20:28) So the chieftain class is now being groomed with the prospect of later serving in an administrative capacity in the new world.

15 What, though, is the relationship today between the anointed priestly class and such older men who, as part of the great crowd, are serving in positions of oversight? Ezekiel’s vision suggests that the elders who are members of the great crowd have a supportive and subordinate role, while the anointed take the spiritual lead. How so? Remember, the priests in the vision were given the responsibility to instruct the people in spiritual matters. They were also told to act as judges in legal cases. Additionally, the Levites were assigned to “posts of oversight” in the temple gates. (Ezekiel 44:11, 23, 24) Clearly, the chieftain was to submit to the spiritual services and leadership of the priests. It is fitting, then, that in modern times the anointed have taken the lead in pure worship. For example, the members of the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses have been chosen from among them. Such faithful anointed elders have been training the developing chieftain class for decades, preparing prospective members of this class for the day when they will be delegated their full measure of authority in God’s new world to come.

16 What kind of overseers are these prospective members, who are in line for enlarged responsibilities as the chieftain class? The prophecy found at Isaiah 32:1, 2 says: “Look! A king will reign for righteousness itself; and as respects princes, they will rule as princes for justice itself. And each one must prove to be like a hiding place from the wind and a place of concealment from the rainstorm, like streams of water in a waterless country, like the shadow of a heavy crag in an exhausted land.” This prophecy is being fulfilled today as Christian elders—anointed and other sheep—work to protect the flock from such ‘rainstorms’ as persecution and discouragement.

17 The words “prince” and “chieftain,” which have similar meanings in Hebrew, are not used as titles designed to exalt men. Rather, they describe the responsibility these men bear in caring for God’s sheep. Jehovah sternly warns: “That is enough of you, O chieftains of Israel! Remove the violence and the despoiling, and do justice and righteousness themselves.” (Ezekiel 45:9) It is good for all elders today to take such counsel to heart. (1 Peter 5:2, 3) The flock, in turn, recognizes that Jesus has provided shepherds as “gifts in men.” (Ephesians 4:8) Their qualifications are set down in God’s inspired Word. (1 Timothy 3:1-7; Titus 1:5-9) Christians therefore follow the elders’ lead.—Hebrews 13:7.

18 In Bible times some chieftains had much authority, others less. Today, elders of the great crowd have widely varying responsibilities. Some serve in one congregation; others serve many congregations as traveling overseers; others serve whole countries as Branch Committee members; others directly assist various committees of the Governing Body. In the new world, Jesus will appoint “princes in all the earth” to take the lead among Jehovah’s worshipers on earth. (Psalm 45:16) No doubt he will select many of these from among the faithful elders of today. Because these men are proving themselves now, he will choose to entrust many with even greater privileges in the future when he reveals the role of the chieftain class in the new world.

Answer 10

Nina you sure ask alot of questions about the JW's?


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