A challenge to all those that believe in Christianity and GOD!?

Question

I challenge any Christian to provide a rationale for this absurdity: Lets say for the sake of simplicity, a person was evil everyday of their life, for 70 years. How do you rationalize, and see the fairness in an All-Loving GOD, damning that person to hell for all eternity? To show you how absurd this would be, that's 70 years of evil, and let's say, a billion years of paying for it? (I know an eternity is more than a billion, but I wanted to mathematically show how grossly unfair it would be to spend a billion plus years in hell, for 70 years of evil??)

So Christians, how do you rationize this as being fair and just?

kellythetrainer- That has to be one of the most idiotic rationales I have ever heard. First off, many judges and juries do not automatically give life in prison for murder. while Hell is automatic in Christianity for those who sin and don't believe in God/Jesus. So that alone invalidates your argument.

Secondly, I never put forth any theory that the amount of sin should exactly equal the amount of Hell that person gets. So you're wrong there as well.

Third, human judgement is the not same as Godly judgement. So you lumping fallible humans and their judgements of how long someone should suffer, with your supposedly perfect GODs judgement, is beyond absurd!

(thundercatt9) "A final misconception about hell is that it is a place of physical torment and torture. Rather, most Christians have understood these descriptions to capture symbolically that hell is final and utter separation from God's saving grace."

^^^The above is a flat lie that you have the nerve to pass off as fact!The majority of Christians view Hell as a place of eternal torment; but some have different interpretations of what Hell truly is. The very fact that anything in your religion is open to interpretation shows the fairy tale nature of your religion. If your religion was fact, there would be no disputes, or anything open to yours, or anyone's fanciful interpretation.

KIRBY- It sounds to me like your GOD is very petty!?

d3slyn- Your reponse sounds like a very cheap cop-out!

MELANIE-You didn't give an explanation! All you did was dodge the question by placing the blame on the human being!

(thundercatt9)-

"Another misconception has to do with how one is "sent" to hell. Often objectors claim that God randomly picks people to be damned as if on a whim. Additionally, they envision that the one sent to hell is absolutely innocent in the matter and had nothing to do with the outcome. On the contrary, Christians have long held that hell is a choice that is made by the one who arrives there (e.g., in Matt. 7:13-14 Jesus says those who choose the broad path walk to destruction). Essentially, then, God does not send people to hell. Rather, people send themselves."

^^^This is a complete load of bunk. I have never been aware of anyone thinking Hell was a place innocent people go.

thundercatt9, post proof of instances where people have shown they think Hell is where innocent people go!

Wise Old Man- It does say that....The books of Matthew, Mark, and Jude all tell of a place of fire!!

The HUsh Sound!!-How convenient that people have killed others over that same book you now call just metaphorical!

Answer 1

I don't need to feel the need to rationalize it.
We are humans and each of us has a different standard for "fairness". Who said anything God does has to measure up to anyone's definition of fairness?
If you don't like the faith, don't embrace it.
Then just go away and have faith in whatever it is that you place faith in.

Answer 2

It isn't. It isnt true. Yes im christian but it is the lesson learn that you should focus on not it literally.

The lesson is You should not be evil or sinful or hurtful towards others and you will live a happy life. If you are you will be punished. This does not mean after you die at all. It is metaphorical.

I believe that Heaven and Hell are ways to show people that If you are good, just, fair, kind etc that you will be rewarded and vice versa if you are not. You shouldnt take everything literally...actually yuo should take nothing literally.

All the teachings have a meaning. It is how people interpret them that determines their quality.

EDIT: Btw, hell is told to be a place of fire, true. But again it is metaphorical. At the time, and probably now too, fire was always thought of as the worst death. Painful, evil. So it is described as a place of fire because that way people can distinguish between the good and the bad. Just about everything is symbolic and metaphorical. You have to look deeper to understand it.

Answer 3

Answer: Your evil person walked the Precious Blood that Jesus sh ed for this person's sin on a cross after being scourge with 39 lashes of the whip called the cat of nine tails to the point of death with the metal and bone pieces tearing the skin of Jesus body horrible to the point that most people could not live through this scourging and the torturer would have to stop short of 39 lashes. Then the Roman soldiers plated a crown of thorn and beat it into the scalp of Jesus with rods. Put a robe of purple on Jesus and Mocked and spit on him then made Jesus carry the cross that Jesus would die on up Golgotha Hill outside of the City of Jerusalem to be crucified for this sinners evil deeds.
But this evil person walked the Precious Blood of Jesus under foot and rejected the Crucifixion where Jesus paid this persons Sin Debt and all of mankind as well.
God has every right to turn such a evil person in Hell because he was so arrogant and wicked that he rejected Jesus and the sacrifice that Jesus had made for him.

So Christians, how do you rationalize this as being fair and just?

Answer 4

I am not christian, but I do believe in "God"(not neccesarily the same being that others call God though, what I mean by "God" comes before the title, if that makes any sense to you)

and I 100% agree. there is no deed that can be done in a mortal life that can be justly punished with an infinite punishment.

(I've asked questions on this point several times, you might look at some of those responses as well)

one thing I've never wrapped my head around is how some people can feel that someone who has not even committed any signifigant crime in their life, can justly deserve an infinite punishment.

SOME people seem to feel that the "infinite punishment" is really simply non-existence. but at least to me, that is not very just either.

my personal conclusion is that the only system that a just Deity could implement for this predicament involves reincarnation. theres simply no other way that is truly just and remotely sensible.

Answer 5

If someone were convicted of having gone on a ten minute killing spree, about how much time would the law require them to spend in jail? An equal ten minutes? Obviously not. The punishment for any given crime addresses the quality of the crime, not, or not just, the quantitative aspect of the crime.

While Christians affirm unequivocally that God is essentially good and loving, it must be emphasized that complementary to these attributes is the characteristic of justice. A loving being that ignored evil or that treated bad acts and good acts equally would not be good. Hence, if God is good, then God is also just - he must treat evil as evil. So, if any creatures merited the existence of hell, then God could remain essentially good and loving by giving them justice, even if that means sending some creatures to hell.

Another misconception has to do with how one is "sent" to hell. Often objectors claim that God randomly picks people to be damned as if on a whim. Additionally, they envision that the one sent to hell is absolutely innocent in the matter and had nothing to do with the outcome. On the contrary, Christians have long held that hell is a choice that is made by the one who arrives there (e.g., in Matt. 7:13-14 Jesus says those who choose the broad path walk to destruction). Essentially, then, God does not send people to hell. Rather, people send themselves.

A final misconception about hell is that it is a place of physical torment and torture. Rather, most Christians have understood these descriptions to capture symbolically that hell is final and utter separation from God's saving grace. Some Christians, like C. S. Lewis, take hell to be a real place where sinful people make themselves miserable. Similarly, thinking of heaven as a place of hedonistic pleasures is wrongheaded as well. In fact, those who choose hell would not enjoy the pleasures of heaven since those pleasures essentially flow from a right relationship with God.

God can't condone evil, forgiving the wilfully unrepentant. Lost souls have their wish - to live wholly in the Self, and to make the best of what they find there. And what they finds there is hell. It may be feasible that hell is hell not from its own point of view, but from that of heaven. And it is also possible that the eternal fixity of the lost soul need not imply endless duration. Our Lord emphasises rather the finality of hell. The damned are successful rebels to the end, enslaved within the horrible freedom they have demanded. The doors of hell are locked on the inside.

Edit: God obviously does not operate by majority viewpoint. Disputes occur among any group, it is not limited to Christians. Is there any fact out there that is not disputed. Singling out Christians as having occasional differences would be unfair. Christians acknowledge that we are all sinners and are imperfect.

Edit 2

Innocent? Your question supposes 70 years of evil! Hell is for those who want to make their own way and reject a relationship with their Creator. You are not tricked their or 'innocently' fall into it. You seem to be setting up strawmen in order to justify your disbelief in God. Perhaps your focus should be not on the emotionalism on the existence of hell but rather on searching for the existence of a Creator. One on hand you are telling people how to interpret the Bible then on the other saying you don't agree with that interpratation!

The fact is each of us has done something wrong — something evil. Why does God allow evil within us? None of us deserves to escape punishment, and yet God allows escape, too. Obviously this God would be able to tell you to kiss off and who would we be to tell Him 'it is not fair'? The fact is that anyone who seeks can have a relationship with their Creator. If we ask why there is evil, we should also ask why there is mercy. Grace is certainly not 'fair' either but is offered to anyone who knocks.

For what it is worth ... Fire in scripture is a word picture of judgement.

Answer 6

ok. How come if someone say, muders someone, which possibly takes 2 minutes to do, get life in prision? Why dont they get 2 minutes? (according to your theory)
because the punishment of that crime is life in prision. i am sure these murderers know this going into their crime.
So, as a "sinner", we all know what the punishment for our 70 years of "sin" are, so maby we should avoid the punishment by taking the the proper action to avoid it. dont ya think?

ps: our sin "murdered" Jesus and hung him on the cross, the punishment is the death penalty.

to your edit:
I was simply using the "murder" example for the sake of simplicity.
2nd, You dont get it. Its not about our 70 years on earth of sin or whatever. Just ONE sin results in the "punishment". OUR sin put a sinless man on the cross and killed him. We killed Gods son, not just some person. We did that. And i'm telling you for that, the punishment is death, for how long, it doesnt matter. We know the punishment, but it could be avoided. Why question it, if you dont want to go to hell, then take the pardon that has been given to you.
its your choice.

Also, lets say you dont beleive in all this, which i assume b/c you are trying to find "holes" in Christianity, but just b/c you dont beleive it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. and i would hate for you to learn the hard way.

Answer 7

The rationale you speak of is what all others here have over looked. The key to your answer is an All-Loving GOD is not damning any person to hell for all eternity. We are free to make our decisions, thus we are our judge when we choose wrong from right ! How can you blame GOD for the wrong decision you make? You are your own damning person

Answer 8

Ah, but your question is unanswerable for one reason. God is not fair or just in the meaning you are implying. Now, I understand you feel it is unfair to be punish a unusually large amount of time for only 70 of evil. I agree (I am a practicing Christian.) However, (and here's the kicker) it's not supposed to be fair. When it i(the bible) says that God is just and fair it mean more like he does not break promises. All people are equal in his eyes are receive equal treatment. That is the justness the bible refers to.

So to answer your question, there is no rational reason for that to be fair. It is simply a punishment that will be equally given out.

Answer 9

We were sent here to be tested. We were given free agency, the ability to choose how we would live our lives. The Lord loves us and wants us to be happy. But if we turn away from Heavenly Father, Satan can influence our lives. Some turn to evil. Hell is a state of mind, not fire and brimstone. That person will live in regret, knowing that they turned away from God and Jesus Christ. We lived with Our Father in Heaven before we were born, but we cannot remember it. After death and judgement, we will remember our life before. It is this that will cause this person to be sad. i don't believe that they will be in fire or anything like that.

Answer 10

Thank you for confining your answer to the Christian God. As you must know, Jews do not believe in a world-to-come exclusive to "believers" nor in eternal punishment for anyone other than the most evil of the evil.

The Christian concept of hell and eternal damnation comes from Zoroastrianism, not Judaism.
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