Do you find it interesting that some question the numbers killed in the Holocaust?

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And then some question the numbers killed in the "naqba" the tradgedy or disaster in 1948?

Do you see any connection at all?

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Gamla Jow I appreatiate your way of looking at it but when b gets how many thumbs down for facts and i get how many thumbs down for facts and actually talking to the people and seeing pics one has to wonder are deaths being questioned?

Answer 1

Yes, I do see a connection. I do not want to compare the Holocaust with the Naqba, but if the Holocaust on Jews would not have taken place, who knows how many Jews would have immigrated to Israel. Don't talk about the victims, talk about the survivors and you'll find a connection.

In 1922, the Jews in Palestine constituted only 11 % of the population but by 1947, they had increased their number to 31 %. This was a result of massive immigration because of the Holocaust.

I am not guessing any numbers because on both sides you will find different information.

Take care and enjoy Eid!

Answer 2

Yes and some question how many wins Cy Young really had! Clearly they are all the same.

The only connection I see is that there are numbers in dispute. In general disputing the numbers of the holocaust is tantamount to anti-Semitism, and is used in an attempt to invalidate Jewish claims to anything. I've never heard anyone question the numbers in the 'naqba' (if that's what you want to call it) without just cause (i.e. academic research), but either way it's rather irrelevant. The numbers in the latter instance have no bearing on anything; that 10 were killed or a million were killed makes no difference with regards the right for Israel to exist, which is the true charge behind the 'naqba'.

Answer 3

No, I don't find it 'interesting' - I find it cruel, irrational, and absurd.

If you ever investigate the main proponents of the notion that the figure of six million is wrong, you will find that they are neo Nazis and members of various far right nationalist parties. The same people who also, incidentally, despise Muslims and Arabs as well as Jews.

There is no 'connection' between what happened in the Holocaust, and what happened in 1948.

Nobody denies nor disputes that the Palestinians have suffered terribly. What we do say is that the blame has to be directed fairly.

The Palestinians knew, as did the entire world, that FIVE Arab states declared war on Israel, within 12 hours of her declaring independence. They knew that these countries were poised to attack. The Arab leaders of those countries and armies warned the Palestinians to get out, and promised they could return as soon as the Jews had been conquered. I have provided more than adequate examples of Arab sources admitting this in my post from yesterday.

Answer 4

There is no doubt at all about the humber of Jews killed in the Holocaust it is near to 6 million, End of story. Waht is questionable is the number of other groups killed in the Holocaust estimates verge from 3-6 million.

The Palestinian Exodus in 1948 has no offcial death figures as far as I know.

Answer 5

Do I see a connection? Are you trying to draw a parallel between the Jews killed in the Holocaust and the Israelis and Palestinians killed in the War of Independence?

If there is any connection, and there is barely one, it is loose and philosophical. The only thing that we can learn from these two events is that humans, in all cases of war, have difficulty accurately compiling precise numbers of lost humans, and that after conflict, humans are prone to try to find the exact number.

Other than that, there is no question. Those who question the Holocaust do so to delegitimize the Jewish people or Israel, and they do so because they are ragingly anti-Semetic.

I have not heard of there being dispute over the number of Israelis and Palestinians (and other Arabs) killed in 1948. If there is a dispute, I would say that it comes from each side seeking to build a stronger case for public sympathy.

I find it strange and disturbing that you attempted to create a connection of significance between a Genocide and a War.

Answer 6

A little, I suppose. Norman Finkelstein puts the number of murdered Jews at around 5.1 million. But 6 million seems to be the generally accepted figure. I think it's interesting/sad that more attention isn't given to non-Jews murdered in the holocaust. I've heard numbers between 4-5 million.

Answer 7

I find it objectionable, not interesting...
I think people want to minimize the Holocaust and make the Jews seem like whiners and complainers.
Please remember that the number (SIX MILLION) was taken from NAZI RECORDS.
As you probably know, they were meticulous in recording their atrocities.
I do not think this issue has anything to do with 1948.

Answer 8

From what understand the debate over the naqba is not about the numbers who were killed and those who became refugees, but about the causes and reasons for those events.

Answer 9

It is shocking to make such a comparison.

It shows a total lack of understanding of history. Of the Holocaust. Of the re-establishment of a Jewish State after 2000 years of exile.

But this asker has shown why there will never be peace between Arabs and Jews.

Well done!!

Answer 10

Much of my family was murdered when Germany invaded Poland, including my Jewish grand parents.

When every one in the Warsaw ghetto was machine gunned to death, who was left to report the number killed except the Nazi killers themselves?

I believe the highest estimates of Jewish deaths, but any sane person would doubt that the true figure will be known, this side of heaven.

I liked how the movie Schindler's List was done in black & white film, like was typical in WWII years; BUT one single person was in colour!!!

Do you remember the sweet little Jewish girl in the red coat? I hoped she survived, when she went inside a building, but her red coat was very noticeable on the pile of dead Jews later.

That girl symbolizes the holocaust for me. Her life was precious. Her death was evil. It angers me! The fact that THIS monsterous sin can be multiplied by any number cannot multiply my horror as much!