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2007-12-16 15:00:20 · 9 answers · asked by Jilan A 5 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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The Talmud describes the time just before the Messiah comes as very troubled, lots of turmoil, corrupt governments everywhere, etc. Then a great war is to take place called Gog v'Magog ("Gog and son of/land of Gog" this means in Hebrew). It is also referred to as "Nasi Gog" (President Gog) in Ezekiel.

There are other prophecies connected to this having to do with Basra (in modern day Iraq), and others.

Here are a couple of websites you can see from the Jewish viewpoint about Gog v'Magog:

http://tribes.tribe.net/d64e82b0-72ef-4c72-b5e7-299383c1d4e0/thread/70aafd34-2890-4480-800d-6f1c791fa06c

http://dreamingofmoshiach.blogspot.com/2006/08/tshuva-gog-umagog-moshiach.html


Jewish movie about Gog v'Magog:
http://www.torahohr.net/gogumagog/

EDIT: Hi Mark :)
Sanhedrin 94A: "HaShem thought to make Hezekiah the Messiah and Sanheriv (the Assyrian king) Gog and Magog".

Also Berachot 13a and Megillah 11a discuss HaShem's protection of the Jewish people during the wars of Gog and Magog. There might be more references but that's all I could find so far.

2007-12-16 15:19:33 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

MAGOG

(Ma′gog).

1. A son of Japheth and grandson of Noah. His name appears among the family heads from whom the initial national groups were dispersed about the earth following the Flood.—Ge 10:1, 2, 5; 1Ch 1:5.

2. A name that occurs in Ezekiel’s prophecy concerning the stormlike attack by “Gog of the land of Magog” against Jehovah’s regathered people. It appears to be used by the prophet to indicate a land or region in “the remotest parts of the north,” out of which Gog’s host comes forth, his plundering forces described as “riding on horses, a great congregation, even a numerous military force” employing sword and bow.—Eze 38:2-4, 8, 9, 13-16; 39:1-3, 6.

From the time of the Jewish historian Josephus, it has been suggested that “the land of Magog” related to the Scythian tribes found in NE Europe and Central Asia. (Jewish Antiquities, I, 123 [vi, 1]) Classical writers of Greek and Roman times described the Scythians as northern barbarians, rapacious and warlike, equipped with large cavalry forces, well armored, and skilled with the bow. While the name Scythian may originally have been derived from “Ashkenaz,” another descendant of Japheth (Ge 10:2, 3), the 1959 edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica (Vol. 20, p. 235) states that “throughout classical literature Scythia generally meant all regions to the north and northeast of the Black sea, and a Scythian (Skuthes) any barbarian coming from those parts.” Other reference works likewise show that the term “Scythian” was used rather flexibly to embrace generally the nomadic tribes N of the Caucasus (the region between the Black and Caspian Seas), similar to the modern use of the term “Tartar.” Hence The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge comments: “The name ‘Scythians’ was among the ancients an elastic appellation, and so was the Hebrew ‘Magog.’”—Edited by S. Jackson, 1956, Vol. V, p. 14.

Symbolic Use. The fact that the definite location of “the land of Magog” is left uncertain and indeterminate to us in the Bible (as well as in secular history), along with the prophet’s reference to “the final part of the years” (Eze 38:8), and the fact that the described invasion is not known to have taken place literally upon Israel, provide the basis for viewing the prophecy concerning Magog as relating to a future time in the Biblical ‘time of the end.’ Because of this, many commentators see in it a forecast of the final attack of the world powers upon the Kingdom of God, and they see the land of Magog as representing “the world as hostile to God’s people and kingdom.”—Funk and Wagnalls New Standard Bible Dictionary, 1936, p. 307.

Thus, the land of Magog clearly has a symbolic significance. The fact that the term “Scythian,” with which Magog is usually associated, came to be used as a synonym for that which is brutal and degraded would logically seem to point to a fallen state or position of debasement, analogous to the position assigned to Satan and his angels following the war in heaven and from which debased position he wrathfully wages “war with the remaining ones of [the woman’s] seed,” as described at Revelation 12:7-17.—See GOG No. 2.

3. A term used at Revelation 20:8 in relation to events to occur at the close of the Thousand Year Reign of Christ Jesus and subsequent to the loosing of Satan from the abyss. Instead of referring to a particular land or location, “Gog and Magog” here is used to describe those on earth who yield to the released Adversary’s influence and rebel against God’s rule as expressed through “the holy ones and the beloved city.”—Re 20:3, 7-10.

2007-12-16 23:08:08 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

Magog is an ancient name for part of Russia.

There was Gog and Megog, and Meshech and Tubal, and gomar, and togomar, and some other names as well. All these are ancient names that now make up the Russian "states" (is that the right term - state?).

2007-12-16 23:04:25 · answer #3 · answered by no1home2day 7 · 4 1

I checked in my index for the Talmud and Magog really isn't mentioned, as far as I could tell, except for one or two vague references as to where it is. It appears to be synonymous with Crete as far as I could tell.

2007-12-16 23:57:14 · answer #4 · answered by Mark S, JPAA 7 · 2 0

If you are talking about Gog & Magog, I have been told that these are supposed to be Russia & China, but I can't remember which is which.

2007-12-16 23:04:37 · answer #5 · answered by arklatexrat 6 · 3 0

According to scholars, "Gog" is probably a reference to Gyges, the king of Lydia (a major Greek empire in the ancient world). "Magog" is probably an Akkadian expression "mat-Gog," which means "land of Gog."

2007-12-16 23:08:31 · answer #6 · answered by NONAME 7 · 1 0

Gog and Magog were ancient cities.

2007-12-16 23:04:43 · answer #7 · answered by ? 6 · 2 0

The best that I can figure out is that it is an area in the mid west area.

2007-12-16 23:03:11 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

It is a barbaric region to the north. (Most likely Russia)

2007-12-16 23:07:46 · answer #9 · answered by hasse_john 7 · 1 0

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