why do people think only show dogs should be breed?

Question

seriously people think about it for a second show quality dogs and there litter mates cost way more than average. I want to show dogs( Neos) because I want to get into a breed which in my opinion has very few good quality specimens-
(I like the Italian lines), so I know I'm going to spend some money, like 2500 to 3000 a puppy, but I don't think the average person who wants a pet dog should have to pay 1000's for a dog, so whats wrong with someone breeding two healthy dogs that aren't show champs so that people can have well breed dogs for pet or maybe show?
Show breeders rarely charge less than 900 for a young pup as showing the dogs is costly and requires alot of money and time, if I wanted a pet dog I would only want to pay 300 to 700 dollars for a common breed dog, and many people don't have the desire to show-plus from what I have seen of GSD, I wouldn't even want a show breed shep.

people don't just breed for money, it cost so much money to show and just raise a litter money is not the reason for a good breeder thats what mills and really bad backyard breeders do, I wonder how many people on this site really got there pup from someone with champ male and female dogs.

cost does not weed out bad owners petland charges on average 1000 to 3000 for a pup some of them mixes and yet of the very few high priced purebred dogs turned into the shelter where i work they are from pet land. I think interviewing and screening perspective puppy owners it whats weeds out alot of the bad owners.

Answer 1

Only high-quality dogs that meet the breed standard (and have had proper genetic testings: CERF & OFA) should be bred. Showing in conformation is the best way to see if your breeding stock is "up-to-snuff". In fact, that's the main PURPOSE of conformation, to see which dogs most closely CONFORM to the breed standard.

Even out of show-dog parents, there will be some "pet" puppies.

I personally don't want to buy a purebred dog any cheaper than $500-$600. If they are cheaper, that means that likely the breeder isn't doing something they should be doing. I'm not rich, but I do want to get a quality dog. I paid $1000 for my pet-quality papillon (out of show lines), and am very pleased. I'd much rather pay a few extra hundred dollars up front and know I'm having a much higher chance of getting a healthy, quality dog; rather than skimp on the initial purchase price and pay big bucks in vet bills later on for things that good breeding practices would have prevented. Whether you pay $300 or $3000, the initial purchase price of the animal is always the cheapest part.

Now I don't think every dog particularly needs to have their champion title already to be bred, but they should at least have been shown to see how they fair in the ring. And sometimes there is something in a dog that an experienced breeder sees that they want to breed the dog even if it isn't a champion, but in the future, will produce better lines. There is a balance, but the goal should alway be betterment of the breed.

CERF and OFA, on the other hand, I have no leeway on. If I am buying a dog, the parents absolutely must have the proper genetic testings done.
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Answer 2

It is not just show pups you can never get a show pup every litter no matter how hard you try and no matter how many years you have been breeding but the thing is to improve each litter you breed for health and as close to the AKC standard as you can get not just put two dogs together no mater what defects are in both lines just because the Mom and Dad check out with no defects does not mean the line is not a carrier and it cant come out in the pups and to breed a full breed with other breeds and call them a special breed or breed for small runts who will die before a year old and call it a TEACUP or sell a 3 week old puppy for a 8 week old TEACUP or let puppies go before 8 weeks old it is the kind of breeder these people are that is wrong

Answer 3

It has nothing to do with show dogs. It's the law of supply and demand. Consumers want the Wii this Christmas so they sell on EBay for over $500, on the other hand, my son asked for a PS2 knowing it would cost less and he could get it for sure (we'll call that "pet quality"). If there are too many dogs of mixed breed, the buyer doesn't know for sure what they are buying - and the pups go to bad homes and irresponsible owners. The goal is to reduce all dog breeding to give the less desirable mixed breeds a chance. Reduce the total supply, the demand goes up!
If you really want to show a dog but the prices are out of reason, why not consider training a mix breed for ultimate dog challenges/agility races. It's a lot more fun and breed matters not at all!

Answer 4

My 4 all came from show parents. Only one cost more than $1,000. That's because he's the only show quality one of the 4.

When you breed the very best you better the breed. You have a good chance of getting more show quality pups, but you will never get all show quality pups. They are the ones who are looking for just pets. That's all I ever wanted mine to be. The show quality one I saw born and put a deposit on him there and then as I just had to have him. (The breeder became a close friend after we bought our first 2 together from him) No one knew he would be show quality back then. He never was shown or bred.

My other 3 were all under $700. I do know however that they are genetically sound and have the same great bloodlines as their show quality siblings. As owltyedup said I got the chance to get the best. 3 I could not have bred as per his contract. The other one I chose not to. I don;t know enough about breeding to even think of doing it so just like his pet quality siblings he was neutered too.

Answer 5

Breeding with the ultimate goal of achieving show quality pup(s) means the breeder is responsible and reputable. The pet quality pups from a responsible breeder are far superior to puppies from puppy pimps (not only in conformation and temperament, but wrt genetics as well)

When you're talking about a living, breathing being why would anyone settle for "average"? Why settle?

Answer 6

Any litter of puppies regardless if both parents are show champions wil lhave pet puppies in it. "Show" breeders always have pet puppies for sale in litters. The cost is usually less then for show potential.A person buying a pet puppy from a responsible breeder won't have to pay thousands of dollars..cost is usually in the $500 - $900 range depending on breed.
Also people who show usually are responsible breeders (though not all are) they do health testing, breed for breed standard strive to produce the best, healthiest, pups the can. It is the wise puppy buyer that buys from a breeder like this and not from someone who just breeds whatever is available.

Answer 7

Because being 'healthy' isn't enough - you have to really know what you're doing and know that your dogs are really suitable for passing on their genes. This is responsible breeding; doing it for the betterment of the breed. And I don't mean bulldogs with the most squashed faces or the tiniest chihuahuas etc, I mean proper testing and scoring of e.g hips and eyes to make sure you won't be passing on any undesirable traits. People who spend the money on these things are usually showing their dogs as well - not always mind you. Not every proper breeder shows dogs.

Anyway the average person doesn't have to pay thousands for a pet dog - they should be going to shelters and picking one up for $50.

Answer 8

I and many other breeders offer "pet quality" puppies to non-show homes for much less than our "show" puppies. These puppies are every bit as wonderful and come with the same health gurantees against genetic defects but they may not be bred.
This opens the door for many people that just love the breed for a pet but do not have the time or inclination to show (confirmation or obedience). After all I understand that it just isn't for everyone.
But at the same time this protects our breed by keeping unwanted puppies from being produced and being reintroduced into the bloodlines.
So, whatever your breed of choice is, if you do some research you cna find a very good example of the breed for a "pet" price... just don't expect to be able to breed it.
I hope that this helps.
~Tyed~

Answer 9

Showing is basically a way confirming that your dog is of a very high quality. If circumstances were better, then maybe it would be worth breeding dogs that were simply healthy and not the best of the best. But with pet overpopulation what it is and even purebred dogs dying in shelters for lack of homes, it just doesn't seem responsible to breed dogs that aren't exceptional examples of the breed. Most breeders will offer "pet quality" dogs at reduced prices for people who aren't concerned about their dogs' appearances adhering exactly to the breed standard. But I think if a person wants a purebred dog from a breeder rather than a breed rescue, they should be willing to pay more to have a dog that is guaranteed to be healthy, free of genetic defects, well cared for from birth, and everything that a dog of that breed should be.

Answer 10

HEALTH,,, you are paying for HEALTH,, breeders study genetics, know the lines and are completely devoted to breeding quality doges ( pet and show quality)... dog shows are a way to determine breeding stock, as the dogs are judged against the breed "standard" and NOT against one another... when a breeder breeds , only a few from the litter may be "show prospect" all others are sold as pet quality on a limited registration ,, thereby PROHIBITING the "pet quality" pups to be bred in the future by backyard breeders... even though the pet quality pup isn't of show /breeding quality does not make him a bad pet,,

Imagine if the pet quality pups were being bred , as you suggest in your question.. it would take long for the breed, as a whole to suffer,, their would be no uniformity and the breed would suffer,,, after all,, you want your neo to look like a neo don't you