Atheists, what do you think about this:?

Question

Everything that exists has limits and boundaries, but there must be something that is limitless to set those limits, otherwise, everything would be limitless...

No hostility here I'm your well wisher

I also wanted to know, what you thought about this:
when most people are under conditions that have too much pressure and stress for the brain to coop with, they turn to something thats above them for help, In my view its a natural response to say or think "oh, my god..." when you have near-to-death experiences.

Is atheism a recent belief? have people in the times of the incas and farther back, in the dark ages, believed in no god? If so, then how is it possible that so many people were deluded into thinking that no god exists? I think that we needed to depend on something that was uncontrolable, we needed to believe something, and so therefore every person had some spiritual feelings that called them to think about a supernatural creator..just my insight, please share yours thank you

i just need to add this in hope it will help with my argument

question asked

Should i tell Christians to embrace my "good atheist values"?

my answer
what values do Atheists have? Their life is this life, its their only one and they reject a life after ...as such they should be going around trying to have as much fun in their life as possible before it ends..if they see a hot they should raep them because once they die, thats it no more experience, no more pleasure..right? wrong, you dont do those things, you dont lie because its WRONG...and what made you think that rping a is wrong? is it nature? is it science...???

ohhh dont take me in the wrong way, i would never lay a hand on a with force, it was just an example..

also, how in the world can you say we are not limited...do we know the cure for cancer? do we know everthing thats out there in space? Even on our own planets we make discoveries about life in the abyss and stuff like that..our knowledge is limited no more characters

our knowledge is limited our resources are limited, we cant create a moon or sun..we can only try to replicate nature, but aside that, super wouldnt have even been made up if we were unlimited...

by the way, islam agrees with and predicts things about science that people could never have known at the time like about how starts when they collapse the gases spread and look like the smeared petals of a rose...nor that babys cling to their mothers womb, nor that there were nations that were buried in sand that we have just recently dug up, nor that we would be able to go to space, nor that atoms undergo fusion and fisson..ect ect..

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/index2.html

He Who created the seven heavens in layers. You will not find any discrepancy in the creation of the All-Merciful. Look again-do you see any gaps? Then look again and again. Your sight will return to you dazzled and exhausted! (Qur'an, 67:3-4)

No hostility but you darn sure not a well wisher, well wishers let you be about your way without a challenge and respect you for being.


i dont challenge you, and youre saying all parents who tell their kids not to eat too many sweets are their enemies? no im trying to get you to c it from my point of view, and trying to save you from what i know to be a painful torment..let me ask you, have you read the quran? of course i respect you for your being, other wise i wouldve come to your house and shot you if you didnt say that there is a god...but again thats haram in Islam, we are only supposed to talk no force...

HA! islam was way ahead of its time in womans rights, it gave them divorce property and self respect..you think the s in america who them selves on tv(yea the fashion shows, the gilrs next door all that crap) you think tHEY have rights? compared to the office working, modest-cloth-wearing, respect-demanding women that Islam asks for? please where is the highest suicde rate? divorce rate? social problems? USA, not pakistan or iran..they have govenment issues and thats all other wise, ask the majority of the educated women about weather she likes her life...

Answer 1

I'm not sure if I'm qualified to answer this question,
since I do not consider my self to be an atheist.
I've had several near death experiences and
all it did was strengthen what I perceive to
be the source of some of my beliefs.
I saw no light at the end of the tunnel,
I have the scars to prove where they
tried to jump-start my heart on several
occassions while I was being operated
on for a few injuries sustained
from a motorcycle wreck.
I saw no friends or relatives who passed before me.
I do quite often say "god-damn" or
even "oh my god", I also say "holy turnipseed", too.
But that's just me.
I'm not referring to any deity or even
any particular plant-matter when I
call out these things.
You cannot imagine how many "so and so"
there are on the roads these days
from Texas to Florida.
I'm sure back in the days
when Quetzecoatl was the main god,
there were those who didn't believe.
I don't think "dis-belief" is a new concept.
Some believe in the one god and
some believe in many, no big deal.
In Northern Ireland,
the Protestants & Catholics have
been fighting about religion for years.
Look at the differences in the Islamic faith,
it's the same fight,
they just call it something different.
I've been a Texan for one year officially on
the 17th of December and it didn't
change my beliefs.
I'm 59 and in 11 more months, I'll be 60.
I know it's nice to want to believe in something,
to know that we're all going to be
rescued by the knight in shining armor.
It's nice to think that there must be
a natural order of things,
maybe there is and maybe there "ain't".
Now I've shared my natural 25 cents worth
and given you my opinion,
it's not gospel, marvel, or
even the Houston Chronicle,
but it is MY opinion.

Answer 2

I think it dubious and illogical. Everything that exists has limits and boundaries but there must be something that is limitless to compare it too, come on what bulk and sloth. Something usually gets the title limitless after the searcher gives or it seems to go on longer than the searcher is willing to search that doesn't mean that it without limits.

No hostility but you darn sure not a well wisher, well wishers let you be about your way without a challenge and respect you for being.

Hey, what about the ones that say oh sh*t, or that almost f*cked me up good?

Atheism has always existed and is the first state everyone is under until they are indoctrinated and deluded into the house religion and believing in beings that have no purpose existing. My insight is if you want to believe fine but don't go trying to sell me your magic, miracle, brainwashing pills.

PS. Why should I believe in crap that can't even see me and respect me as what am a Female that has just as much if not more brains than most men. Why am I going to go into a zone built on humiliation, self hatred, prejudice and other nonsense.

Answer 3

Totally disagree with your first statement. Not everything has limits, and there is no need for limits to be "set" by an outside force.

Most people have been indoctrinated to look for help from imaginary beings. I never have. I never once looked to any deity for help when I was being shot at (military) or had car/motorcycle accidents - looked only for help from humans (paramedics, doctors, nurses, etc.)

There are recorded atheistic comments at least as far back as Lucretius. almost a century BCE. There may well have been others; religions have a history of burning or otherwise destroying both atheist writings and the writers! In fact, religion has been on, ironically, a centuries-old campaign of social Darwinism, trying to stamp out the genetic tendency to think rationally and question claims. Obviously, they failed, but they are still trying! Let me also add that we all had parents, especially Daddy, who seemed like a deity to a toddler. Some of us grew up and accepted our fathers are just human, other couldn't handle maturity and sought replacement, "perfect" Daddies.

Answer 4

I think there have been many more atheists than people realise but because they've faced execution, persecution or (at the very least) social exclusion they've kept quiet. For some reason theists get nasty to those who don't agree with them.

For example leaders of theism can go on national, even internation television and declare atheists to be bad, that atheism is the source and parents should actively discourage their children from atheism and no one bats an eyelid. Atheists are told to shut up and take because it's just their religion and what are we so angry about. If the same things were said about xianity, islam, black people there would be an uproar.

The hyprocisy is sickening

Answer 5

Three questions, three answers:

1) You assume everything that exists has limits and boundaries. Until you give evidence to prove that assertion, I will go on believing the universe is infinite because there is no evidence to suggest otherwise. Sorry, I'm an evidence kind of guy.

2) Yes, people do want to cry out to something big that wuvs us when things get bad, I catch myself doing it. We learned to do that when we were little and knew that somehow mommy and daddy could kiss a hurt and make it better, or simply pick us up when we needed uplifting. Hard to unlearn something learned so early and deeply. Wanting to call out to Someone doesn't make the Someone real, anymore than being hungry means there is something in the fridge.

3) See answer 2.

Answer 6

I thought your question was well written & very respectful so I'm going to try to take my time with my answer. Here's what I know. Hopefully it'll help.

LIMITS & LIMITATIONS: "Everything that exists has limits and boundaries, but there must be something that is limitless to set those limits, otherwise, everything would be limitless" I can follow your logic. It is said that our "limitations" are as such because we are in a 3D sinkhole in a universe with potentially infinite dimensions. Lisa Randall, Harvard U, recently wrote a GREAT easy-to-read book about this. I'm not sure if she's an atheist, but she is a renown member of the scientific community.

HISTORY OF ATHEISM: Is atheism a recent belief? Not by any means. Diagoras of Melos (5th century BC) is typically known as the "first atheist"... but we also have to take this into account: 100+BC a religious title didn't necessarily reflect someone's religious beliefs as much as it did their nation/state & race. Even if the person didn't really hold strongly to a belief in a god they would still say "I'm Jewish" or "I'm Mayan." That's not the case now as we've become more diverse. So there really is no way to tell who the first atheist truly was.

THE RISE OF NON-BELIEF: However, I would agree with you that there has been a substantial rise in atheism. I think that has quite a bit to do with our scientific advancement, our ability to travel & communicate globally with relative ease, the political shift AWAY from theocratic rule... and free trade... as odd as that sounds. People are exposed to MANY forms of religious & spiritual thought. Many people, for the first time, are also given the freedom to choose their own religion. THAT'S HUGE! When people are given a choice, especially a choice out of many, they analyze using what they know of fact. Seeing as many mainstream religions are mutually exclusive, some see a flaw in it. Others prefer to rely on what can be proven through science to supplement what they rationalize as fact – and no longer need religion. (Science now adequately is beginning to find answers to questions that, in the past, could only be answered by religion). Because of these things we are bound to see a shift in society towards atheism.

WHY WE CRY OUT TO GOD IN STICKY SITUATIONS: I do think it's natural to ask for help when we get in a sticky situation. We, by nature, are a species that rely on our “others” (things around us “tools,” our community “herd”) for support when we get in nasty situations. That coupled with the fact that we are incredibly relational creatures who LOVE to personify innate objects and unknowns. I would go so far as to say that is why we, when under intense pressure, cry out to a “god” when we run out of options. And why that would be considered completely natural. (god can be considered a personified unknown).

These are my opinions and insights. Hopefully they help.

Answer 7

How do you even know that everything that exists has limits and boundaries?
Does the universe have boundaries? NO
And why would something have to be limitless to set limits for other things? Where did you pull that from?


Next.
"Oh My God" has nothing to do with God.
I say it all the time, but I don't believe in God.
It's an expression. Like "Holy ****."
The existence of hope doesn't prove God exists.

Next.
Many sects of Buddhism are atheistic.

And you are mistaken...believing in God makes you deluded.
Not the lack of belief.

Answer 8

Are you kidding? You used the ancient theist formula

existence of X= proof invisible sky deity created X

We know raping is wrong because common sense and human empathetic response is constant and cultureless. Math and science do not prevent rape, as math and science are mere studies of universal patterns, but those patterns would exist without their being studied.

And because we don't know everything about the universe, this proves the existence of an all-powerful sky daddy? right, sort of like how lightning is Zeus' trident, right?


I really do hope you're joking...

Answer 9

Other religions were around long before Christianity, and that is a fact: Christianity appeared after Jesus was apparently on Earth, so there was obviously something before that.

I have had more than one near-death experience and have gone through more stress than many could even understand, but I have never once felt the need to be weak and pray.

Answer 10

"Is atheism a recent belief?"

No, but it could get you killed up until recently. It was called heresy by the Christian religion and was punishable by death, usually after a lot of torture.

I don't believe that everyone needs to believe in something, unless you call an atheist's beliefs in science "belief in something." Their belief is in science, their logic, the mind and what can be proven.