Anything created requires a creator... but what reason is there to think that the universe was created?

Question

rkirby13... : Why do you believe that the existence of the universe necessitates a creator?

Answer 1

Interesting that believers see the premise that "anything created requires a creator" as some kind of proof of a deity but can never offer any even vaguely satisfying answer to the question of who or what would have created that deity (which by their own logic couldn't have appeared from nothing).

Answer 2

"Again this may be a weak argument, I admit, but uhhhhhhh, it's here right? So something must have happened somewhere for it to exist.
I mean look its constantly changing and shifting. Stars dieing and being born. Suns going supernova and blackholes forming. The universe is alive and living in its own partiacular way. Maybe it has always been here, maybe it hasn't.
How do we know that this universe was not at some time a part of another universe of something. I mean I don't know physics, or mathmatics, or anything, I'm not that smart. LOL, but if its changing now, couldn't it have shifted and developed a new part or something? In my mind I don't see why not, but since scientist can't judge the boundaries of the universe, can they truely answer the question? If they can, than I am all ears, because I do admit I could be wrong.
I am assuming yes, but I do know that I don't know everything, and I would LOVE to learn something concrete and new.

Answer 3

It has not been proven that it wasn't. Take the Big Bang theory for instance:

Here's what a science website states:

Big Bang Theory - The Premise:

The Big Bang theory is an effort to explain what happened at the very beginning of our universe. Discoveries in astronomy and physics have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that our universe did in fact have a beginning. Prior to that moment there was nothing; during and after that moment there was something: our universe. The big bang theory is an effort to explain what happened during and after that moment.

According to the standard theory, our universe sprang into existence as "singularity" around 13.7 billion years ago. What is a "singularity" and where does it come from? Well, to be honest, we don't know for sure. Singularities are zones which defy our current understanding of physics. They are thought to exist at the core of "black holes." Black holes are areas of intense gravitational pressure. The pressure is thought to be so intense that finite matter is actually squished into infinite density (a mathematical concept which truly boggles the mind). These zones of infinite density are called "singularities." Our universe is thought to have begun as an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense, something - a singularity. Where did it come from? We don't know. Why did it appear? We don't know. "

So while scientists have tried to explain what happened to the original "infinitesimally small" singularity that expanded to become our known universe, they can't tell you where it came from. They acknowledge they cannot explain the beginning of the beginning.

By the way, I'm big on words. Notice that they do not say that the Big Bag explains the origin of the universe. They merely say it is an EFFORT to do so.

Answer 4

There isn't any reason to...but...

It doesn't necessitate their not being a creator either.

All things being equal, I'll go with Occhams razor...and the simplest explanation that requires no assumptions is that there was no creator.

(In all actuallity, I like Smolin Selection theory for universal origins, which is fairly complex, but relies on less ad hoc assumptions than creation does...)

Answer 5

In simplicity there are two sides to this coin you mentioned. Either the universe was created or it was other than created. Some like one side and some do like the other side. Of course there is the line between the two sides for those who just can not make up their minds.

From all your revealing questions I can see you like the side which is in the other than created position. Such a view is just fine with me even though I like the side which is of the opinion that it is created. I chose this side for the grass is greener on this side in my view.

Do have a great day and enjoy

Answer 6

Ahhh...an easy one..

One thing Big Bangers and Christians believe in is the time before the Big Bang/Creation.

See, before then there was nothing..no light, no gravity, no space, no energy, no.....nothing.

The complete and total lack of everything...

Not empty space..like what's between some liberals ears..but no space..like what's between 2 pages in closed book...

The expanding universe CREATED it's own space as it expanded...it did not fill previously empty space...

Anyway, I hope you got the picture...

Before there was creation there was absolutely nothing...nothing...still nothing...nothing..imagine complete nothingness...and it is still nothing....

BANG...something...expanding universe...

Where did that something come from?

It was created from nothing..

You want to believe in evolution..that something new came from something old...fine..something from something

But here we have something from nothing...

Either a creator created something from nothing..or something created itself from nothing..

You tell me...what makes the most logical sense..

Answer 7

Are you saying that the universe was just always here?

Answer 8

Is the alternative - that matter has always "just existed" - any more logical? I think it's less logical. Matter has no life and no reason for existing without a creator.

Answer 9

Because the universe has meaning, value and purpose. Think about the implications of these.

Answer 10

Because it's here.