jesus is not son of god proven from his own words....?

Question

In Matt.5:9 Jesus said "peacemakers will be called sons of god"

In matt. 10:34 Jesus says" Do you imagine that I have come to bring peace on earth? I did not come to bring peace but division"

Alright christians stop praying to the one who makes division between you and your father between you and your mother and between your daughter and her mother in law.

For that is what jesus the so-called saviour of the world says (Matt.10:35-36) he has come to the world for.

Beware of Mary's illegitimate son he could be the Wolf in the sheep's cloak!

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Answer 1

You need to read the entire verse, on the hole division Jesus was talking about, He was basically saying if you love anything or anyone more then Him then you are not worthy of him., he in no way was saying that he wants you to hate your family or friends, he just don't want you to love them more then you love him.

Answer 2

Why do people think they can prove anything with the words allegedly used by Jesus?

1. They were not written down until AT LEAST 30 or 40 years later, and even then probably not by someone who had actually been present.
2. They were spoken in Aramaic, and have undergone several translations to get to the words in English you quote above - the chances of the nuances being the same when originally spoken and in the version you use above are virtually nil.

Unless Jesus was an exceptionally taciturn man (which by all accounts was not the case) he must have said a great deal more during the three years of his ministry than is quoted in the gospels, so relying on a hidden meaning in a particular sentence is "taking his words out of context" to an extreme degree.

Answer 3

Not so, you have proved nothing. You have produced some evidence for your point of view, and I would like to comment on that.
James, Jesus' half-brother, also taught that friendship with the world is enmity with God [1] and Jesus taught that you cannot follow the world, money [2] etc etc and follow God at the same time. So this is what is meant in Matthew 10v34 ff. Following Jesus will create division between those following him and others who do not.
The saying from the sermon on the mount Mt5v9 is about those who make peace between people and God. This is clear from the context, because even nearby in Matthew 5v11 there is much strife predicted for those who follow Christ.
For example, if you were to accept my explanation and believe in Jesus yourself, I would be very happy as it says in Mt5v9. (Well, I can be an optimist!) But I dare say, some of your friends and family would disown you, (or worse) just as it says in Mt10v35.
No-one can avoid making this choice, whether to go with the flow of this world or to go against it, to follow Jesus. Both you and I have to make this choice, as does everyone else.

Answer 4

I hope you not in some subtle way trying to imply Mohammed's system is the true way.
1) You are hiding the fact he fought in over 25 battles, and killed many - most decidely not a man of peace
2) the first 4 successors caliphs (and later caliphs did similar) invaded by force, in the process killing opposing armies, in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Egypt and North Africa - not men of peace

Of Jesus, that is saying that standing up for him can have hard consequences, because the people in societies of the world often believe in philosophies/religions that don't allow conversions readily, but aggressively oppose and persecute christian converts. This is so even today - eg try converting to Christianity in Saudi or North Korea, to take two such places where this is a cert.

Look at the record of the peaceful lives of the apostles. They preached the gospel peacefully, and did miracles of healing in Jesus' name. Paul was violent and zealous man like Mohammed before converting; afterwards a man of peace. All but one of the 11 and Paul were killed as martyrs (the christian sense of martyrdom - being killed for your belief by persecutors, not killing others in hatred and dying in the process, a display of fallen human nature). Look at the history of the early church - all by peaceful preaching and loving behaviour. Compare with Mohammed's rages when people would not accept him as Allah's prophet and head-choppings (the fallen nature shown again; he needed to trust in Christ and be saved of his sins and sin nature, and thus go to heaven).

Answer 5

Again you seriously missed what Jesus was actually saying. Remember, when Jesus introduced himself as Messiah, the mainstream rabbis rejected his claim. Many Jews relied on the word of the priests for validity. However there were people who where genuinely searching for God and His Messiah and it is these people who had to make a tough decision, either cling to the status quot and reject this Christ/Messiah and be at peace with your family or accept Christ and be a virtual outcast from your families point of view. Jesus did bring "inner" Peace with God, that's what Christmas is all about.

Answer 6

Good Grief!!

For all that read stuff like this, read your bible, and of course always read before and after a quoted scripture to get the proper context of what is being taught.

Yes there is a division that Jesus does bring. It will divide nations, peoples, families. Now why is that. Well again it goes to the vindication of who has the right to rule over mankind. Jesus is one of the main instruments that God uses to prove He has the right to rule over his creation.

Again Jesus is here to establish a kingdom, and it will oppose those who choose not to bow down to him as king. So yes, there will be consequences for those that object.

Answer 7

You only wrote what you wanted everyone to think He said. You took scripture out of context. You need to go back and read Matt. 10: 32,33 first then read the rest, Matt. 10: 34-39. If you are want to tell a story, then you should tell the whole story. What He is saying is not to put anything before him. Not your mother, father, sister or brother, ect.... He is to be first before everything!

Answer 8

I think it was a very responsible action to declare that, he knew the human mentality, that everyone would come to their opinon about him. And he also gave us hint that once the Devil thrown out of the heavens after the current world powers comdemning him, punishment would come in the form of the devil coming to us.

Do you think God would inpire men to make atomic bombs, or even nuclear power when there are other forms of energy?

He knew that, and I think you would have said the same if you had the same character as him.

Just as we were created in God's image, he will give a hint but do not alert the evil doers, because without evidence there is not accusation, but that evidence we see today. Because the evil people and spiritual forces reveal themselves and they are bound to destruction.

Answer 9

The bible has many contradictions. And people who believe that it is a true and accurate reading of "god" walk blindly into darkness. I've seen many "preachers" and "christians" talk about money, and how god wants you to be prosperous but the bible says "the poor will be with you always" so how is that possible? That's my rant for the night/early morning.

Answer 10

He says he brings division because his truth is divisive. Truth is always offensive do those who don't believe. Jesus is the Son of God and says so in the Bible. Read further.