do you think they (Bible-fundamentalists) would protest to Angel Gabriel for greeting Mary that way if they were present in the Announciation?
2007-12-15
15:11:32
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or better yet, what would they say to God for allowing Angel Gabriel greet Mary that way?
2007-12-15
15:15:16 ·
update #1
Rev. Einstein, a lie? don't you know that actions speak louder than words? are you saying that you lie even through your actions?
2007-12-15
15:16:17 ·
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you think you're being hated because I am questioning your ways?
2007-12-15
15:17:23 ·
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ha! go on and exercise your persecution complex, Einstein, but you must know that not all people do the same things you do --- hate people who don't agree with you.
2007-12-15
15:20:03 ·
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Lucid, believe it or not, I didn't give any thumbsdown so that I can see perfectly the answers that were given. if you see lots of thumbsdown, rest-assured that I didn't contribute in the number of their thumbsdown. now, if you understand the Bible differently than the Catholic Church do, I think it's only fair that you don't accuse Catholicism of being wrong before you can honestly say that you've understood Catholicism perfectly without all the biases you have.
2007-12-16
00:34:35 ·
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I don't know that they get Angry as much as they just miss understand the Prayer. Some believe that we worship the Blessed Mother. Which we know as Catholics is not the case, but they do not know they only know what people have told them. We honor Christ's Mother, we adore her, as I know Christ himself adores her.
2007-12-15 15:20:29
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answered by Michael 4
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I dont believe the dead can hear us. The bible speaks about talking to the dead as being a bad thing. Mary was a human woman who has died. Jesus of course was God in the flesh so He still lives. Your example of Gabriel differs in the fact that Mary was alive when Gabriel greeted her (Hail, Mary) but now that she is not alive, it is not biblical.
I realize you will thumbs me down without a second thought, however this is not a basher answer. This is an honest answer from one of the fundamentalists you seem very upset with (as far as I can tell from your answers and questions.) Its ok that we disagree, whats important is that we disagree in love. Gods peace to you, Tur b.
2007-12-15 17:36:44
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answered by Loosid 6
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They're fundamentalists. Quite a few of them seem to think that Catholics aren't Christians, and anything we do or say is wrong.
What else is there to know?
2007-12-15 15:14:47
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answered by Wolfeblayde 7
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The most accurate translation of Luke 1:28,29 is: ' ... and the angel said to her: ' ... hail (one) receiving grace, the Lord is with you, blessed are you among women' (Interlinear).
How you get to the heretical statement next is a complete mystery which has no support in Scripture:
'In the Constitution Ineffabilis Deus of 8 Dec.1854, Pius IX pronounced and defined that the Blessed Virgin Mary "in the first instance of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace granted by God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the human race, was preserved exempt from all stain of original sin.'
Particularly when Mary said: ' ... and my spirit has rejoiced in God my Saviour' (Luke 1:47).
2007-12-15 15:39:30
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answered by cheir 7
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They have nothing better to do with their time, as with the Jehovah's Witnesses...........Parroting the bible, from 2000 years ago, which is TOTALLY applicable to today.......
Ask a JW " if God is Almighty, can HE, create a stone so large that HE HIMSELF cannot lift it??? (JW;s and fundamentalists will tell you that it's an "unanswerable question" or that's a ""trick question"" HOW FRICKIN' CONVENIENT IS THAT FOR AN ANSEER????
Christopher
2007-12-15 16:59:42
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answered by ? 7
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Well when you say Bible Fundamentalists, do you mean Christians, People who take the Bible as the inspired word of God, Take the Bible literally, People who study the word for themselves????? They shouldn't get mad, if they do they need to apologize. I use to be catholic for 25 years, baptised, first holy communion, confirmation and the whole bit. I started searching for answers to my questions in the Bible instead of taking the priests word for it and the Holy spirit lead me to the truth. And you can find the truth in the catholic Bible as well. Said all that to say this......... The reason Non-Catholics don't believe in Mary worship is because Mary was just a woman, not a god. Yes she was a blessed woman, a chosen woman, but just a woman. Not someone to be worshiped or prayed to. Praying to anyone or anything other then Our Lord, and Savior is Idol worship. There is really a lot more that could be said on this, but that is a little bite of why non-catholics don't "Hail Mary". Hope this sheds some light for you.
2007-12-15 15:32:22
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answered by duddlebug 2
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The 1st commandment on which all others rest throw shalt have no others Gods before me maybe you are not the truth and way and the light Jesus lesion to to your mom.
2007-12-15 15:26:03
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answered by Minetto 6
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Nevertheless, they are our brothers and sisters in Christ, who are struggling with their faith as we all are.
2007-12-15 15:18:50
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answered by Shinigami 7
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We don't get angry at all.....who told you that lie.?
Some of my greatest gospel buddies are Catholic...and we have great respect for Mary.
More importantly ...why do you have hate in your heart for others who believe in Jesus???
Do you have to hate Bible believers in Christ in order to be a Catholic or do you just want others to believe that is a requirement?
Either way your anger toward non-Catholic believers is causing great reproach against Catholics.
think about it.
When you grow up in your faith you will realize our faith centers around JESUS , not Mary....Please acting like so immature and learn Scripture.
2007-12-15 15:14:56
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answered by Anonymous
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We muslim always respect Mary and Jesus (Peace be upon him) please jest read and under stant what other hohy books are narreting about them...........
Mary, the Mother of Jesus, holds a very special position in Islam, and God proclaims her to be the best woman amongst all humanity, whom He chose above all other women due to her piety and devotion.
“And (mention) when the angels said, ‘O Mary! Indeed God has chosen you, and purified you, and has chosen you above all other women of the worlds. O Mary! Be devoutly obedient to your Lord and prostrate and bow with those bow (in prayer).’” (Quran 3:42-43)
She was also made by God an example to follow, as He said:
“And (God sets forth the example for those who Believe) of Mary, the daughter of Heli, who guarded her chastity, so We blew into it through Our Angel (i.e., Gabriel), and she believed in the words of her Lord and His Scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient.” (Quran 66:12)
Indeed she was a woman who was fit to bring such a miracle as that of Jesus, who was born without father. She was known for her piety and chastity, and if it were any different, then none would have believed her claim to have given birth while remaining in a state of virginity, a belief and fact to which Islam holds true. Her special nature was one which many miracles proved of from her early childhood. Let us recount what God revealed in regards to the beautiful story of Mary.
The Childhood of Mary
“Indeed God chose Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham and the family of Heli above all others of the creation. Offspring, one of the other, and God is the All-Hearer, All-Knower. (Remember) when the wife (Hannah; also Anne, Ann, Anna) of Heli said: ‘O my Lord! I have vowed to You what (the child that) is in my womb to be dedicated for Your services (to serve Your Place of worship), so accept this, from me. Verily, You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knowing.” (Quran 3:35)
Mary was born to Heli and his wife Hannah, who was of Davidic descent, thus coming from a family of Prophets, from Abraham, to Noah, to Adam, may the Peace and Blessings of God be on them all. As mentioned in the verse, she was born to the chosen family of Heli, who was born into the chosen family of Abraham, who was also born into a chosen family. Hannah was a barren woman who longed for a child, and she made a vow to God that, if He granted her a child, she would consecrate him to His service in the Temple. God answered her invocation, and she conceived a child. When she gave birth, she was saddened, for her child was female, and it was usually males who were given in service to Bait-ul-Maqdis.
“So when she gave birth to her, she said, ‘My Lord! I have delivered a female…and the male is not like the female.”
When she expressed her sorrow, God rebuked her saying:
“…And God knows best what she delivered…” (Quran 3:36)
…for God chose her daughter, Mary, to be the mother of one of the greatest miracles of creation: the virgin birth of Jesus, may God praise him. Hannah named her child Mary (Maryam in Arabic) and invoked God to protect her and her child from Satan:
“…And I have named her Mary (Maryam), and commend her and her offspring to your protection from Satan, the outcast.” (Quran 3:36)
God indeed accepted this supplication of hers, and He gave Mary and her soon to come child, Jesus, a special trait - given to none before nor after; neither of them were afflicted by the touch of Satan upon birth. The Prophet Muhammad, may God praise him, said:
“None are born except that Satan touches them upon their birth, due to which it comes out screaming from its touch, except Mary and her son (Jesus).” (Ahmed)
Here, we can immediately see a similarity between this narration and the Christian theory of the “Immaculate Conception” of Mary and Jesus, although there is a great difference between the two. Islam does not propagate the theory of ‘original sin’, and therefore does not condone this interpretation of how they were free from the touch of Satan, but rather that this was a grace given by God to Mary and her son Jesus. As other prophets, Jesus was protected from committing grave sins. As for Mary, even if we take the position that she was not a prophetess, she nevertheless received the protection and guidance of God which He grants the pious believers.
“So her Lord accepted her with gracious acceptance, and reared her in purity and beauty, and entrusted her to the care of Zachary.” (Quran 3:37)
Upon the birth of Mary, her mother Hannah took her to Bait-ul-Maqdis and offered her to those in the mosque to grow under their tutelage. Knowing the nobility and piety of their family, they quarreled as to who would have the honor to rear her. They agreed to cast lots, and it was none other than the prophet Zachary who was chosen. It was under his care and tutelage which she was reared.
Miracles in her Presence and Visitation by Angels
As Mary grew older, even the prophet Zachary noticed the special features of Mary, due to the various miracles which occurred in her presence. Mary, as she was growing up, was given a secluded room within the mosque where she could devote herself to the worship of God. Whenever Zachary would enter the chamber to see to her needs, he would find abundant, and out of season, fruit in her presence.
“Whenever Zachary entered the chamber, he found her provided with sustenance. He said, ‘O Mary! From where did you get this?’ She replied, ‘It is from God.’ Surely God bestows sustenance upon whom He pleases without measure.” (Quran 3:37)
She was visited by angels on more than one occasion. God tells us that the angels visited her and informed her of her praised status amongst humanity:
“When the angels said, ‘O Mary! God has chosen you and purified you (due to your worship and devotion), and chosen you (by making you the mother of the prophet Jesus) above the women of the worlds. O Mary! Pray to your Lord devoutly, and prostrate yourself, and bow down with those who bow down.’” (Quran 3:42-43)
Due to these visitations of the angels and her being chosen above other women, some have held that Mary was a prophetess. Even if she was not, which is a matter of debate, Islam still deems her having the highest status amongst all women of creation due to her piety and devotion, and due to her being chosen for the miraculous birth of Jesus.
2007-12-15 15:40:40
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answer #10
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answered by ma b 5
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