How to Catholics respond to I Timothy 4:1-3...?

Question

when it seems to be a prophecy about the Catholic Church and how it is wrong about priests marriage & no meats (ex fish) on Fri.

"1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer."

BY THE WAY...

I have anther question w/ NO answers.

--->1st answer gets 10 pts<----

Answer 1

Although I have this before, I need to read this chapter again and reflect on it in prayer. Very interesting.

Answer 2

This Catholic responds with Acts 20:28. Holy Spirit appointed Apostles as overseers, to tend the Church.

Acts 6:6 The Apostles laid hands and prayed on them
Acts 13:3 The Apostles laid hands upon them and sent them off
1 Tim 4:14 Gifts received through the laying on of hands of the priests.
Tit 1:5 Apostles appointed priests in every town as Jesus directed them to do.

Matthew 28:18-30 Jesus delegates ALL power to the Apostles.

Finally, Eph 2:20 Jesus Church is built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets.

So, we are not based upon the Bible alone,
because the Bible is based upon the Catholic Church.

This foundation was established by Jesus Christ before the New Testament was written down. The Catholic Church given this Authority through the Apostles by Jesus directly.

Answer 3

I am not sure what it is you are asking. But most people think that the 4th verse is saying that the food laws in 1st timothy is null and void. But if they read verse 3 instead of just reading over it they will realize that it is a prequalifier for verse 4. Yes everything (food included) is good , and is to be received with thanksgiving ( as long as it is one of the food that [ God created to be received (see verse 3) ] .

Answer 4

You know, this same question has been asked many, many times. My fellow Catholics and I have answered each objection with logic and great patience. Each and every time, we've been told that we don't know what we're talking about (even though it IS our Church) or that we're distorting Scripture.

If you seriously want an answer, go do your own research. Type in any part of that particular Scripture into the Search box, and you'll see the response of many other Catholics to this same set of objections. I, for one, am sick of the Catholic-bashing and the unmitigated arrogance of those who presume to tell me what my own Church does and doesn't teach.

Check: make that "I'm tired of those who presume to tell me that I'm not a Christian because I'm Catholic and that I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to my own Church's doctrines."

Answer 5

Notice the "They forbid people to marry" part... and yet many of the so-called Christians in the U.S. are all in an uproar to forbid people to marry! They want to even put the forbidding of gay marriage into the Constitution! I guess those folks must be following deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Thanks for the question.

Answer 6

The Church does not
+ Forbid people to marry
+ Order them to abstain from certain foods because the foods are unclean

+ Celibate Clergy +

Priests, religious brothers and religious sisters (nuns) as part of their vocation choose not to marry following:
+ The practice recommended in the Bible
+ The example of Jesus Christ, John the Baptist, and the Apostle Paul.

+++ Scripture +++

In Matthew 19:12, Jesus says, "Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it."

In Matthew 19:29, Jesus says, "And everyone who has given up houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands for the sake of my name will receive a hundred times more, and will inherit eternal life."

Matthew 22:30 - Jesus explains, "At the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like the angels in heaven."

In 1 Corinthians 7:1, Paul writes, "It is a good thing for a man not to touch a woman."

Then in 1 Corinthians 7:7, Paul says, "Indeed, I wish everyone to be as I am."

In 1 Corinthians 7:27, Paul writes, "Are you free of a wife? Then do not look for a wife."

In 1 Corinthians 7:32-33, Paul teaches, "I should like you to be free of anxieties. An unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord. But a married man is anxious about the things of the world, how he may please his wife." And in verse 38, "So then, the one who marries his virgin does well; the one who does not marry her will do better."

Paul recommends celibacy for full time ministers in the Church so that they are able to focus entirely upon God and building up His kingdom. He “who refrains from marriage will do better.”

See also 1 Timothy 5:9-12, 2 Timothy 2:3-4, Revevation 14:4, Isaiah 56:3-7, and Jeremiah 16:1-4.

+++ Scriptural Examples +++

Biblical role models of a celibate clergy came from John the Baptist, Jesus, and the Apostle Paul.

John the Baptist and Jesus are both believed to have been celibate for their entire lives. Some scholars believe that the example of the Essenes influenced either or both Jesus and John the Baptist in their celibacy.

WWJD? What would Jesus do? Jesus did not marry.

The Apostle Paul is explicit about his celibacy (see 1 Cor. 7). There is also evidence in the gospel of Matthew for the practice of celibacy among at least some early Christians, in the famous passage about becoming “eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven” (Matt. 19:12).

The concept took many twists and turns over the years and will probably take a few more before Christ returns in glory.

A priest is "married" to the Church. Some people think that a priest who takes his duties seriously cannot take proper care of a wife and family.

+ Fasting and Abstinence +

The Catholic Church follows the Biblical practice of Jesus Christ and the Jews in setting aside days where the entire Church fasts and prays as one in a attitude of constant renewal.

The Days of Penance are described in the Code of Canon Law (1249-1253):

Divine law binds all the Christian faithful to do penance each in his or her own way.

In order for all to be united among themselves by some common observance of penance, however, penitential days are prescribed on which the Christian faithful devote themselves in a special way to prayer, perform works of piety and charity, and deny themselves by fulfilling their own obligations more faithfully and especially by observing fast and abstinence.

The penitential times are every Friday and the season of Lent.

Abstinence from meat is to be observed on all Fridays.

Abstinence and fasting are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.

In the United States of America, the bishops, with the permission of the Pope, for Catholics to substitute a penitential Practice or even a charitable practice of their own choosing on the Fridays outside of Lent.

Many U.S. Catholics just continue to abstain from meat on all Fridays of the year.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P4O.HTM
http://www.usccb.org/lent/2007/Penance_and_Abstinence.pdf

+ With love in Christ.

Answer 7

Hmmmmm..............all those years in public school I had to eat fish sticks on Friday because of catholic tradition-and there were no catholics at out school.
I don't think the fish on Friday is done any more- I think that ended in '66.

Answer 8

well i showed it to my brother in law and he says....well i've been a catholic all my days and,blah,blah,blah. he doesn't know noah had family members that didn't agree with the bible either, but who got away safe?

Answer 9

Its happening already, right?

Answer 10

I agree with swindled. I don't totaly get what you are asking though, so please add more detail.