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I find it nonsensical that many people make the basis for God’s nonexistence simply being because agony and poverty exist in the world. In my opinion, adversity gives an individual strength and if a God existed he/she/it would have wanted his dominions to be resilient.

Even though I am an Atheist, I am curious to hear other people’s opinions on this subject.

2007-12-15 12:41:00 · 16 answers · asked by Jasumi 4 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Oh wow. O.o I’m kinda popular in this section? Thanks for the insightful answers (and compliments. lol)

2007-12-16 13:55:10 · update #1

16 answers

Here for you, I have come up with a reversal of St. Anselm's logical argument for the existence of God. He wrote:

1. Imagine a Being so Perfect, that nothing else can be compared to it.
2. Either this Being exists, or it does not.
3. But if it does NOT exist, then it cannot be perfect, because something that exists is better than something that does not exist .

Q.E.D. by reductio ad absurdum, God must exist, because Perfection necessarily implies existence. Nothing imaginary can be perfect.

The above relies on the philosophical idea that existence is an attribute, a "predicate" of objects, just like color, density, shape, etc....

{But thanks to law school, I can twist it backwards.}

1. Imagine a Being greater and more powerful than the entire Universe itself.
2. Either this Being exists, or not.
3. If it did exist, we have no manifested evidence of it changing or altering anything that exists.
4. If it does not exist, there is no problem explaining its possible existence. So it does not exist, due to lack of evidence that it does exist.

The pure Deists would say that a God created the universe, set it in motion, but then on the Seventh Day, "He rested", meaning that this Creator only made everything, but never miraculously intervenes in his work. That's fairly sensible. Why make something, and then have to tinker with it constantly? !
I know that's not ironclad. No logical argument is. But BTW, I like your new picture.

2007-12-16 01:41:39 · answer #1 · answered by DinDjinn 7 · 2 0

I agree with you.

Without adversity we would not feel compelled to grow.

However, I think the issue on the existence of god relies more on what is each person perception of god.

For some people god is perceived like some sort of gigantic invisible anthropomorphic being, and this perception is something ludicrous for others.

For a other people god is some sort of energy dispersed throughout the universe, which can be seen as a heresy by others.

And for a few it is an abstract concept utilized to cause fear and guilt in others in order to keep them under control.

So, in my opinion, the issue of proving the existence or non existence of god starts with defining how is this... ¿being? ¿entity? ¿unity? is conceived.

And, most certainly, what is the proper attitude to have towards that essence (if one is to have a particular one)

I personally believe that the part cannot conceive the whole, and that most perceptions of a higher order (just to use a reference) is going to be as limited as it is the part that tries to observe it.

And that any observation will, in the end, most certainly define the nature of the observer (versus the real nature of what is being, or tried to be, observed)

2007-12-15 20:02:27 · answer #2 · answered by Aritmentor 5 · 1 0

the only place interior the historical past of people you notice the be conscious god is in a bible. So, i could say that god does not exist as a results of fact i don't think the bible. Now, i'm seventy 5 years old and have positioned lots concept into this remember. i will concieive of a few non-emotional creater, createing all there is. Theists won't condon something like that as there's no thank you to collect money or get any administration of the lots with a god of that nature I even have died thrice on a working table being mended from conflict wounds. every time i got here upon my spirit hovering over the mattress. My spirit had no physique, yet I observed each thing happening. I had a concept so I knew i became into not lifeless. My physique became into lifeless, yet my spirit became into nevertheless alive. every time while they have been given my heart began, my spirit lower back to my physique. I even have frequently puzzled what would have surpassed off if my heart became into not began. after i became into nicely adequate to be sent abode, I nevertheless had enormous pains. a doctor in Japan taught me self hypnosis to releive me of the rigors. i got here upon that I had no existence to speak of while i became into decrease than the hypnosis. That became into untill i got here upon I had memorys of previous lives in my memory cells. I spent many hours chaseing after the numerous lives I even have had. I even have got here upon I even have had a hundred's , in line with threat extra. I had a topic for some years, in that I in no way have been given into the previous physique untill the very 2nd of loss of life. i could not get any information that way. I did get adequate information as quickly as to circulate to the village in England and stand over the grave of the call of the guy I as quickly as became into. What I even have got here upon is adequate evidence for me to have self assurance reincarnation is the way. In previous lives I even have been an outstanding guy or woman an evil guy or woman and a saintly guy or woman, does not remember. I come back every time for yet another adventure, noted as existence. I even have in no way got here upon any memorys as to what occurs between lives. I have not any memorys of ever seening any god or angels.

2016-10-11 09:08:51 · answer #3 · answered by ? 4 · 0 0

Jewdo Champion: i think i am a little smarter than her.......... ................ :-P

My answer to your question - A person needs to first have an unequivocal understanding of what "god" means before the person is considered "qualified" to come up with a logical explanation for the EXISTENCE and NONEEXISTENCE of god.

Sorry, am just feeling too lazy to offer you a full-blown answer.

2007-12-15 13:28:24 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 1 1

There is no evidence to support the existence of any deity. This lack of evidence has been prevalent since the concept of gods were introduced. With such a track record, what do you think is the probability that any such deities exist?

I would estimate infinitesimally small.

2007-12-15 12:47:30 · answer #5 · answered by CC 7 · 1 3

why-that is a logical explanation-why would a 'god' make a reality for 'lesser' being to exist--what was he bored and said i need someone to worship me-even the thought of a 'god' not needing worship but just deciding to make a universe for something to do is unbelievable-i dont disbelieve in god-i see no reason for a god to exist----just my thoughts---smile and enjoy the day

2007-12-15 12:48:04 · answer #6 · answered by lazaruslong138 6 · 1 2

Since logic deals with the cause of any natural perception, logic mandates God. Anything less is illogical.

2007-12-15 12:53:13 · answer #7 · answered by w2 6 · 0 2

By its very definition, theism posits the existence of a deity which has in some way, shape, or form revealed itself to the universe. For such a revelation to be of any significance, there must be self-aware structures capable of free will. That is, these self-aware structures must be capable of producing some action in violation of causation, or for which there is no anticedent. If self-aware structures exist, but do not have free will, then the revelation is irrelevant.

Thus, the existence of any theistic deity must naturally and of necessity have the consequence of free-willed self-aware structures.

For free-will to exist, the self-aware structure must have some cognitive component which is non-tangible, and not subject to the principles of physics. Any tangible component is subject to physics, and thus violates the principle of non-causation. This principle of non-tangibility is, in psychology and philosophy, refered to as 'dualism'.

However, various studies have shown that without exception, every component of the mind and consciousness arises from the actions of the nervous system. These studies, in various ways, all involve selectively disabling portions of the brain or preventing communication between them -- split brain studies (where the corpus collosum has been cut or damaged), stroke victim studies (localized or regionalized brain death), and partial brain anasthesia. This establishes with high confidence, beyond reasonable doubt, that the mind is in fact monistic, or entirely tangible.

As stated, a free-willed mind must have a non-tangible component. Since the human mind has no non-tangible component, it is incapable of free will.

Since free will is a requirement of theism, theism is provably impossible, beyond any reasonable doubt.

This method of proof by modus tollens can be summarized:

[A Theistic Deity Exists] THEN [Free Will Exists].
NOT [Free Will Exists].
THEREFORE NOT [A Theistic Deity Exists].

Assign these as follows:

A = "A theistic deity exists."
B = "Free will exists."

Then the standard format is:

A⇒B.
¬B.
∴¬A.

2007-12-15 12:45:58 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1 4

(((((JASUMI)))))

you are the coolest. I think you're the smartest person on here.
I am a spiritual person and I do beleive in God.
But if I didn't, I would at least have a good basis for why God does not exist.
Just as believers should have one too.
Maybe then we would be better able to understand each other and stop fighting so much

*smiles*

2007-12-15 12:48:58 · answer #9 · answered by Tohru ♥ Kyo 3 · 3 3

There quite simply is insufficient empirical evidence to support the hypothesis of a god or gods.

2007-12-15 12:46:23 · answer #10 · answered by What? Me Worry? 7 · 3 3

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