2007-12-15 05:13:15 · 30 answers · asked by Julia Peculiar 1 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
You have now had all the usual nonsense about Christmas. Now for some reality.
Noone knows on what date Christ was born. "Scholars" do not agree he was born in September or April or any other time of the year. The Roman Emperor had nothing to do with the date.
Roman Christians chose the 25th December sometime in the 3rd century AD - we know this because it is mentioned on an early 4th century calendar. This is BEFORE Christianity was tolerated in the Roman Empire, BEFORE Constantine.
Saturnalia finished 3days BEFORE 25th December, therefore Christmas is NOT Saturnalia.
The Winter Solstice happened, in the 3rd century, 3 days BEFORE 25th December, therefore Chrismas is NOT a Solstice festival
A late 3rd century emperor inaugurated a NEW pagan festival on 25th December (in about 275AD). It is not known if this was before or after Christmas was chosen. Therefore Christmas was NOT set on a traditional pagan feast day.
So why the 25th December? Noone knows for certain. One suggestion is that they knew Christ died in the spring - some ealy Christians reckoned 25th March. They also reckoned he existed on earh for a whole number of years (some Jewish mystical idea). Therefore he must have been conceived on 25th March and, therefore born 25th December.
In summary. Christ was probably not born on 25th December but early Roman Christians thought he probably was and chose that date to celebrate his birth. As noone knows any more likely date, that tradition in the Western church has continued to this day. There is no genuine historical evidence of a connection to anything pagan. None whatsoever -unless, of course, someone has access to some ancient document I have never heard of.
2007-12-15 06:03:10 · answer #1 · answered by greenshootuk 6 · 0⤊ 2⤋
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2016-10-11 08:34:39 · answer #2 · answered by ragoonanan 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Not a great deal. December the 25th is Mithras's birthday and incidental he died and was reborn 3 days later. Mithras was the religion that most of the roman army believed in so when Constantine decided to adopt Christianity as the official roman religion it was good politics to use the same day for Jesus's birthday and nobody can argue as nobody knows when Jesus was born. It is also the pagan festival or yule or saturnalia when people ate up what food they could not preserve over winter
2007-12-15 05:53:55 · answer #3 · answered by Maid Angela 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
yes jesus was born on christmas day you not heard the advent message where no room in inn so mary gave birth in stable why dont you buy yourself a bible for christmas may god bless you at christmas and through new year
2007-12-15 06:41:58 · answer #4 · answered by starlight 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
No, not really. In the old church calendar, there was a mass on 25th Dec, hence Christ-Mass, but that's about it.
25th Dec is a special time, it represents (or did before they switched calendars) the mid-point of winter, the minima of the ecliptic, the solstice, and so became important for many cultures -it was the date of the re-birth of Osiris, the reemergence of Mithras, the Roman feast of Saturnalia, Yule, etc etc. Christians co-opted it in a blatent attempt to cash in on it's existing popularity, as they did with Easter!
2007-12-15 05:20:34 · answer #5 · answered by Avondrow 7 · 3⤊ 1⤋
No, not today.
There used to be years ago. However, the USA Supreme Court has ruled there is no link today.
Christmas and Moses are out now.
http://www.morallaw.org/
Today Christmas is simply Conspicuous Consumption Day.
2007-12-15 05:20:31 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 2⤋
chirst mass - mass for the christ, title that jesus is given, when he becomes aware he is the son of God (according to Jedo-Christian belief)
This is celebrated on 25th December to coinicide with many clebrations held around mid-winter (yule being the main one, but the solstice (21st/22nd dec.) being a key date as well.
The carols in Christ's honour celebrate a birth around mid october as well (the feast of stephen). Jesus' birth is debated by many academics as to actual date, esp as differnt calender as well.. (do you go with astronomy, historical records, census...)
but link between Jesus and Christmas? Nowadays, less os. but originally, yes. And before anyone puts me down as christian, I'm a pagan who respects the Christmas festival.
2007-12-15 05:24:07 · answer #7 · answered by p_giffney 4 · 0⤊ 2⤋
christians say it was jesus' birthday. But it was found he was most likely born in the spring. So now they just say it is in memory of his birthday, not caring that it wasnt his actual birthday. Christmas is a pagan holiday that christians have tried to take over and make their own.
2007-12-15 05:18:00 · answer #8 · answered by Mo 4 · 5⤊ 1⤋
None. Hey folks? Jesus was not born on Christmas.
2007-12-15 05:17:54 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 1⤋
Yes, there was a German dude named Nicholas who was getting tired of all the public attention and the "saint" stuff, and he came up with the idea of marketing a baby in a feeding trough. Now you tell me, who could resist a baby?
It backfired on him. He was considered to be such a gentleman and caring man that his fame increased exponentially, and now he's obliged by his admiring public to deliver presents to children all over the world.
2007-12-15 05:23:53 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋