Was it a teaching or a Bible-reading Church that Christ founded?

Question

The Protestant Bible expressly states that Christ founded a teaching Church, which existed before any of the New Testament books were written.

They followed the Old testimate they why did Jesus make a new covenant if the old was what he taught their would be no need to teach the new covenant if the old was sufficient their should be no need for a bible

Answer 1

By its Christ-given authority, the Catholic Church canonized the New Testament in the late 4th century. But Jesus founded His Church in the FIRST century, with Peter as the first pope. Here is a list of popes:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm

So, the Bible is Church based: The Church is not Bible based. Among the Christian churches, only the Catholic Church has existed since the time of Jesus. Every other church is an offshoot of the Catholic Church. The Eastern Orthodox churches broke away from unity with the pope in 1054. The protestant churches were established during the Reformation, which began in 1517. Only the Catholic Church existed in the tenth century, in the fifth century, and in the first century, faithfully teaching the doctrines given by Christ to the apostles, omitting nothing.

Answer 2

That's correct. But I would also add that this teaching came with authority, given by Christ. Thus, from that teaching and authorities Church, came the Bible. While there were many books to consider, that teaching and authoritative Church had to discern which books were inspired, and which were not. This took time, but those cannons of the Old and New testaments were used since the late 4th century, based on that authority. It wasn't until the 16th century that some Christians started rejecting parts of the Cannon of the Old Testament. Even Martin Luther tried to convince his fellow Reformers to reject the Book of James from the New Testament, fortunately, he didn't gain support on that one. But that is why "Bible only" Christians use a truncated Bible today.

Answer 3

Well, Jesus did not found any Church. His Disciples and followers did after he died. Even so the only "Bible" was still the Torah, which Jesus read and "taught" from." The Disciples wrote down the teachings of Jesus and later wrote other letters that later became the Bible we know today.

I know the Catholics say they are the original Church, but this is not so. But, they are to be credited with preserving much of the teachings, though God would have done it if they had not. I know this is a side note, but wanted to plug this little fact as Catholics are a bit snobby on this point.

Answer 4

Jesus' prime directive was to offer the Jews a new deal and get them out from under the burden of the law. The Jews rejected Jesus as they did all the prophets before Him. Even after Jesus left, the Jews continued to reject the gospel message that the apostles preached. Jesus then called Saul/ Paul to take the New message to the Gentiles. The Gentiles were not Jews, parts of the Old Testament was confusing to them. Paul wrote Romans-Philemon to help the help get these new Christians on the right track.
We need to read and study all of the Bible. We need to "see' the struggles of the Jews-but we do not apply OT law to Christians today.

Answer 5

Teaching. If He wanted people to read, he would have written his message and teaching down. He was very literate, apparently being able to read the Hebrew writings, and maybe even Latin, but he gave all of his teachings orally, in Aramaic, which probably did not even have a written alphabet form at that time.
(And that Aramaic language was very poor in vocabulary, some 6,000 words, about half having to do with fish and fishing. So it's no big surprise that he had to speak in parables. By contrast: Hebrew , Latin and Greek had vocabularies of well more than 20,000 words, Modern English is in excess of 800,000, nearly a million.)

Answer 6

they followed the OT and Christ's teachings.

There was no pope in the first century. In fact Jesus told Nicodemus concerning religious teacher to call no man father! The word Pope=father and was forbidden.

The first church was in Jerusalem not Rome. and the church was in hiding in the year 300 when Constantine stopped the persecution of Christians which is when the rCC started.


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Answer 7

It was oral teaching. Jesus taught the Apostles this way and the Apostles taught this way and the Catholic Church also teaches this way. The Oral teachings of Christ is what is called Sacred Tradition.

Is the Bible the "pillar of truth" in the Christian religion? No. According to the Bible Itself, the Church is the "pillar of truth" (1 Timothy 3:15), not the Bible. Some "Bible" Christians insist that a "pillar" (the Church) was created to "hold up" another structure (the Bible). They claim the Bible is the structure being held up according to this passage. Well, if that is the case, how did the early Church "hold up" the Bible for the first three to four hundred years when the Bible Itself didn't even exist? Also, even if the Church is only a "pillar" holding up the Bible, doesn't that mean that the Church is the interpreter of Scripture rather than the individual?

The Word of God is Transferred Orally
Mark 13:31 - heaven and earth will pass away, but Jesus' Word will not pass away. But Jesus never says anything about His Word being entirely committed to a book. Also, it took 400 years to compile the Bible, and another 1,000 years to invent the printing press. How was the Word of God communicated? Orally, by the bishops of the Church, with the guidance and protection of the Holy Spirit.

Mark 16:15 - Jesus commands the apostles to preach the Gospel to every creature. But Jesus did not want this preaching to stop after the apostles died, and yet the Bible was not compiled until four centuries later. The word of God was transferred orally.

Mark 3:14; 16:15 - Jesus commands the apostles to preach (not write) the gospel to the world. Jesus gives no commandment to the apostles to write, and gives them no indication that the oral apostolic word he commanded them to communicate would later die in the fourth century. If Jesus wanted Christianity to be limited to a book (which would be finalized four centuries later), wouldn't He have said a word about it?

Luke 10:16 - He who hears you (not "who reads your writings"), hears me. The oral word passes from Jesus to the apostles to their successors by the gracious gifts of the Holy Spirit. This succession has been preserved in the Holy Catholic Church.

Luke 24:47 - Jesus explains that repentance and forgiveness of sins must be preached (not written) in Christ's name to all nations. For Protestants to argue that the word of God is now limited to a book (subject to thousands of different interpretations) is to not only ignore Scripture, but introduce a radical theory about how God spreads His word which would have been unbelievable to the people at the time of Jesus.

Acts 2:3-4 - the Holy Spirit came to the apostles in the form of "tongues" of fire so that they would "speak" (not just write) the Word.

Acts 15:27 - Judas and Silas, successors to the apostles, were sent to bring God's infallible Word by "word of mouth."

Rom. 10:8 - the Word is near you, on your lips and in your heart, which is the word of faith which is preached (not just written).

Rom. 10:17 - faith comes by what is "heard" (not just read) which is the Word that is "preached" (not read). This word comes from the oral tradition of the apostles. Those in countries where the Scriptures are not available can still come to faith in Jesus Christ.

1 Cor. 15:1,11 - faith comes from what is "preached" (not read). For non-Catholics to argue that oral tradition once existed but exists no longer, they must prove this from Scripture. But no where does Scripture say oral tradition died with the apostles. To the contrary, Scripture says the oral word abides forever.

Gal. 1:11-12 - the Gospel which is "preached" (not read) to me is not a man's Gospel, but the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

Eph. 1:13 - hearing (not reading) the Word of truth is the gospel of our salvation. This is the living word in the Church's living tradition.

Col. 1:5 - of this you have "heard" (not read) before in the word of truth, the Gospel which has come to you.

1 Thess. 2:13 - the Word of God is what you have "heard" (not read). The orally communicated word of God lasts forever, and this word is preserved within the Church by the Holy Spirit.

2 Tim. 1:13 - oral communications are protected by the Spirit. They abide forever. Oral authority does not die with the apostles.

2 Tim. 4:2,6-7 - Paul, at the end of his life, charges Timothy to preach (not write) the Word. Oral teaching does not die with Paul.

Titus 1:3 - God's word is manifested "through preaching" (not writing). This "preaching" is the tradition that comes from the apostles.

1 Peter 1:25 - the Word of the Lord abides forever and that Word is the good news that was "preached" (not read) to you. Because the Word is preached by the apostles and it lasts forever, it must be preserved by the apostles' successors, or this could not be possible. Also, because the oral word abides forever, oral apostolic tradition could not have died in the fourth century with all teachings being committed to Scripture.

2 Peter 1:12, 15 - Peter says that he will leave a "means to recall these things in mind." But since this was his last canonical epistle, this "means to recall" must therefore be the apostolic tradition and teaching authority of his office that he left behind.

2 John 1:12; 3 John 13 - John prefers to speak and not to write. Throughout history, the Word of God was always transferred orally and Jesus did not change this. To do so would have been a radical departure from the Judaic tradition.

Deut. 31:9-12 - Moses had the law read only every seven years. Was the word of God absent during the seven year interval? Of course not. The Word of God has always been given orally by God's appointed ones, and was never limited to Scripture.

Isa. 40:8 - the grass withers, the flower fades, but the Word of our God (not necessarily written) will stand forever.

Isa. 59:21 - Isaiah prophesies the promise of a living voice to hand on the Word of God to generations by mouth, not by a book. This is either a false prophecy, or it has been fulfilled by the Catholic Church.

Joel 1:3 - tell your children of the Word of the Lord, and they tell their children, and their children tell another generation.

Mal. 2:7 - the lips of a priest guard knowledge, and we should seek instruction from his mouth. Protestants want to argue all oral tradition was committed to Scripture? But no where does Scripture say this.

Answer 8

Christ did teach,
he also read from the scriptures ever since he was 12 yrs. old he reads and qoutes from the Old testament

Answer 9

Obviously you are ignorant of what the "protestant Bible" , says...

Scripture says...
"PREACH THE WORD, in season and out...reprove, rebuke, and exhort with all patience and doctrine; for the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine...but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers telling them what they WANT to hear...." (2Tim.4:2)

Answer 10

They taught the Old Testament, and the apostles' teaching (God's Word) which is available to all in the Bible.

Why can't you understand this? You ask these "questions" every day. Why? Because you yourself don't want the truth, you want your cult.