Just imagine for a moment, a natural universe where life eventually arose using the commonly available building blocks (a lot of carbon etc) and eventually turned into us, sentient social creatures, mammals with advanced reasoning capabilities who live in complex societies and spend time on the internet discussing existence.
I ask because I imagined a universe designed by a loving god and it doesn't really look like the one I find myself in.
2007-12-15 00:33:16 · 19 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
jamesmom2: Big Bang theory does not state "something came from nothing". I ask you to imagine something; you failed.
2007-12-15 00:40:22 · update #1
There is a fundamental flaw in your logic. You put the universe without gods on one side of the scale and oppose it to the universe with one allmighty all-loving god. You presume that the choice is one of the two, black-or-white. The world, sadly, is not digital.
IMO, both chances are equally (un)-believable. But you're forgetting the third option: universe with a multitude of not-allmighty gods with varying degrees of power and influence. They can have different personalities, both good and bad and their interests often contradict one another. The result is the mess and chaos we're facing, plus some occurrences that we can't explain with science and must therefore have a cause somewhere else. ;)
2007-12-15 05:48:59 · answer #1 · answered by Ymmo the Heathen 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
I tend to look at it a different way. If you think a God needs to exist to have created the universe, then you might also ask what created God? Because the premise is that all things must be created, it doesn't work out because God would have had to have been created, and what would have created God? A larger God? Then what created that God? You might say that another possibility is that everything always existed, but then you can't answer how far back always goes. So I tend to think instead that since something exists, i.e. we know our computer exists, it is really impossible that nothing existed at some time. Given all these things, I can only imaging that there is no such thing as a beginning of time. We just think everything must have a beginning because everything except the universe seems to.
2016-05-24 01:37:31 · answer #2 · answered by cornelia 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
If I were to imagine a universe without any God or other supernatural powers what so ever than things to me would be a lot more chaotic. There would be fear from each other more so than there is now, because I imagine that there would be no order. Yes fear guides some of us and all, but not to the extremes I imagine. I imagine that we would be barbaric, and would not have had the opportunities to evolve and learn what we have learned about us and our enviroments.
You don't see yourself in a universe designed by a loving God, but I see us in that universe that you cannot imagine. I see us living on a planet that had the influences of intelligent design and I see us living in a world that was encouraged by a higher power, not to deform and maim another, but encouraged us to understand our origins, our genetic makeup, and to evolove into something better. I see a world where we have been given freewill to grow as our minds, and hearts inable us. I believe that we have to be willing to see and believe and be willing to relinquish some control, because we cannot control everything.
Good question though!!!:o)
2007-12-15 05:02:31 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
Okay, I'll play along. Hmmm, I would imagine a universe like this, but with no love, courage, honor, unselfishness, joy, laughter, etc. I can comprehend a good universe that was allowed--for a time--to have evil in it by a God who wishes to reconcile rebellious, free-willed creatures to God. But I can't imagine a world with no spirit of God that has any good in it. For if evil or darkness is the lack of goodness or light, where in a godless universe does the good come from?
Good question, you get a star.
2007-12-15 01:42:56 · answer #4 · answered by ? 6 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Hi Zebra
I have long been a fan of your q&a's.
I don't see any difference at all. To me God was smart enough to set the parameters and then just backed out.
The resulting randomnes is exactly what both of us are seeing. Religious types want a personal God who micromanages everything but how likely is it that God would be that confused.
Atheists don't want a God because they are uncomfortable with what can't be proven in black and white.
The tiny difference between our points of view on the matter is that, I imagined a universe designed by a loving god and it looks exactly like the one I find myself in.
That does not make either of us right or wrong, it just means we are seperated a few degrees in perspective.
Love and blessings don
2007-12-15 02:02:56 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
And, so, we would be simply blocks of carbon. Diss'en each other on the internet, just like we do now.
And, of course, carbon would be worshiped, not as a god but as the Creator. Everyone seeks to know where they came from. And we would be conversing about just how we got started. Lightening strike in a mud puddle. Pond scum theory.
Meteor strike. Things like that, I bet.
2007-12-15 00:56:46 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
I believe there is a quote running around in a Dion Fortune book about this. And she herself is quoting someone else. I'll paraphrase. "You want to know what God is, Ill tell you what God is, pressure" This was said by a very mystic person. She says "If ever there was a guru, he was one" about him (Im not sure she ever named him) referring to mystic gurus of course. So that being said interpret it how you will, but I personally find myself aligned with this idea. God i not a nice guy sitting in a throne. He is a force, in fact one could say he is the force behind Force. A thunderstorm isnt bad or good, but sometimes it kills and often it feeds plants. It is a force driven by pressure. Thats my two cents.
2007-12-15 00:45:38 · answer #7 · answered by senjutsuka 2 · 3⤊ 1⤋
In the one I imagined, I'm the all powerful ruler with millions of adoring slaves. And we are not susceptible to death (this kind of evolution is SO much better I think), we live forever, or until we get so smart and greedy we blow up our little planet (I escape on my spaceship loaded with 1800 space modulators)...hey, you SAID imagine!
2007-12-17 00:03:09 · answer #8 · answered by Starjumper the R&S Cow 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Using the laws of modern science, if we all believe it, it will become that way. (Quantum Physics, matter is acted on by though and observation because matter is made up of strings which are also in the minds of people)
2007-12-15 02:58:46 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
I would imagine a universe without order and without purpose. I don't think human life, or any life, could survive for very long in type of universe.
How do you define love? Is it forcing someone to do your will?
2007-12-15 12:35:39 · answer #10 · answered by Last Ent Wife (RCIA) 7 · 2⤊ 1⤋