a religious thought in need of response?

Question

please, if you are not familiar with the concept of determinate universe, don't bother responding.

to those who are familiar with the philosophical reality of a determinate universe, the idea (and truth) that all that exists around us is a result of an event that occurred previously, what kind of jusgment for or against any human be valid?

how can anyone rightly judge a suicide as an ultimate sin when the world around them drove such emotional distress, such mental imbalance that their mind, their only tool for processing their environment, tells them that death is easier than life?

please be careful before you answer with "because they have not found the light of god" because countless devout theists have committed crimes as well as sucide with complete reassurance that god has no qualms about it.

Answer 1

Good point. Did I miss the question ?

Answer 2

If I tell you that the sky is green, does it make it green? On a clear sky, we can see that the sky is blue. The fact that some theists would find it acceptable to commit suicide before God does not make it acceptable. The ruler measure is not man's philosophies and judgments, but God's. In coming before Pilate, Jesus said that He was speaking the Truth, but Pilate asked back, yes but what is Truth?

In the universe that we live, if an event is a necessary determinant of the other, than we are left with no choices. But if I decide not to go to work for the next month without any excuses, I will most likely lose my job. Or, I could just continue to go to my workplace and do my job and keep that job. I choose one, or I choose the other.

Now, once I make that choice, than the next event is determined by the previous one. However, it leaves room for choice. No matter how terrible the situation maybe, there is a way out for God makes it possible. People committing suicide seem not to see any exit to their problem, but say that to the family that is left without child. The family sees a solution that could have kept that person alive and is left devastated. Not withstanding that God could have provided a way.

Therefore, a person is always responsible for their acts, since Truth is not altered by one’s personal view. Everyone have the liberty to amend their lives if they would. Hence, God is righteous when He judge.

Answer 3

I think this is a great question. To my understanding, the whole idea hinges on whether absolutely everything is determinate or whether the human mind has the ability to choose creatively from a number of options, even if its conditioning and experience predisposes it to certain options.

If everything is strictly determinate and the mind can *only* select the choice that seems best or easiest, then one might as well say that they really had no choice at all, and they cannot be blamed.

But if the mind does have some ability to choose, even to the point of denying what seems easiest/best in favor of one of the other options available, then I suppose there would be some room to judge them. I think, however, that the judgment should be light given the consideration of how difficult it may be to NOT choose what seems best.

Answer 4

Then again, if you're going to try and take that tact, then don't forget that the judgment being made is just as inevitable as the event that is being judged.

Determinisms main flaw, when applying it to humans is, whilst the human mind, in a certain sense is a computer, and it's past experiences program that computer, there does appear to be a certain quantum uncertainty in the system, making it not just an inevitable machine, but one with an intrinsic level of unpredictability caused by that quantum uncertainty. In other words, there is a factor in the system that is in part, part of the actual chaos which is in the universe, and determinism is an attempt to try and create a logical philosophical construct designed to wave a magic wand, and make all that nasty chaos go away...

Answer 5

Being an anarchist at heart I'll answer your question even though I don't meet your qualifications. As a theist, I will tell you in no uncertain terms that not all theists believe that suicide is an ultimate sin. God knows the hearts of all. A life cannot be measured in a single moment. A life is the culmination of the whole and will be judged accordingly.

Answer 6

I agree, they're sick, beyond rational thinking. Is sickness sin? Freely I give, ask. [written someplace], I give a sound mind. Confusion , dissaray is from some enititeis . If somebody is persecuted ,finding their ownly escapes death. Yet Jesus overcame death. Meaning either present on earth or present with Jesus.
Jesus who knows the heart can reach everybody. GOD always gives a way out.

5The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.
6Some have wandered away from these and turned to meaningless talk
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8We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.
9We also know that law[a] is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,
10for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine
11that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

Answer 7

You are correct that judging the suicide of another person is not within the purview of any corporeal being. We are not to attempt to judge another person (especially their soul which is their connection to the Spirit that created all things). Mathew 7:1&2 is the admonition not to judge others.

As to the determinate universe I understand the idea quite clearly but I am not at all sure I agree with it.
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-7nW.GC8hd6Myqk3bfl.QI9FwSyY4jw--?cq=1&p=29
You might like this one. Its short

Answer 8

there was once a woman so distressed by her husband's suicide, (he was an atheist) she wandered into the church, not knowing where else to go. In that church, a priest, who had never met her before came up to her and said: "In the time it took him to fall from the bridge to the bottom, he had a moment to regret, and in that moment, he was saved. Because your husband, while he lived, allowed you to worship as you wanted, God had mercy upon him"

Answer 9

Wow this question is loaded ! I personally believe ,God can choose whether or not to see the outcome of what a person will do , but out of ' mercy ' He may choose not to. People are free moral agents.

Answer 10

Not 'a religious thought', but a philosophical thought and a Christian condemnation which makes your premise false.
Any arguement based upon a false premise is inherently false.
Congratulations! You answered your own question!

Answer 11

I think previously your mother dropped you on your head. You are a response desperately in need of a religious thought.