Just curious about Christmas day?

Question

Many people say the Catholic Church made Jesus's birth on the 25 December and we stole the day from the pagans,

If so how come the ones that say this still celebrate the birth of Jesus on this day?

Answer 1

Pagans?

Most people celebrate Midwinter celebration on 24 Dec

Or Jule Fest, and worship the Living Jesus Christ birth,

Actually He was born on 6 April 5000

Catholic are celebrating his death, and they believe he is still DEAD.
they WORSHIP Mary IN ACTS AND DEEDS

Answer 2

Sorry to break the truth to you, but it's true. The Romans were pagans that worshiped the Sun God, which celebration was on December 25th, the Winter Solstice. Emperor Constantine and the Christian bishops decided that the best way to integrate the Romans into Christianity was to mix the pagan celebrations into the Christian rites. So they stated that the birth of Jesus was on December 25th. Check the New Testament and you'll see that it doesn't say the date when Jesus was born.

At the end, the truth is that, it doesn't matter because we ARE NOT members of any pagan religion and God knows that, so it doesn't matter the date, but WHAT we are actually celebrating.

Answer 3

We don't celebrate the birth of Jesus - we celebrate the 12 days and nights of Yule. On Christmas Day we go to a National Park to enjoy the snow because the nation practically forces the holiday on everyone (except poor convenience store clerks and some restaurant workers).

We celebrate the original heathen holiday.

Added: Oregon Flower - the solstice wasn't/isn't the only pagan holiday celebrated at this time. The birth of several savior sun gods was celebrated on 12 25 - Mithra, Horus, and others. There was also the Saturnalia that took place.

Do some research - the early church "incorporated" many pagan holidays into Christian ones to convert pagans. They also tore down temples, hofs, and sacred sites and built churches on top. This was advocated because "pagans are accustomed to meeting in those places, therefore let them gather in worship of the Lord instead."

Answer 4

The birth of Christ by all accounts occured in the spring (the lambing season) which is why shepherds were around at night. the celebration was moved to Late December to be close to the Winter Solstice celebrated by the pagans. It is thought that the move was two-fold,

It allowed early Christians to hide their faith, thus avoiding persecution and later after Christainity became dominant it allowed them to better convert pagans, because they weren't taking away a day of celebration, simply changing the reason for it.

as to why it hasn't been reverted back to the true day, well quite simply no one can nail down exactly when it was, and why screw up tradition on a guess, besides, if we do that why not reset the whole calender and add 3-7 years because various sources have cited that the real Birth was not in what we now see as year Zero, but was actually 3-7 years BC(E), a glitch due in part to the inaccuracy of early time keeping (many events were noted as the thrird year of King Whatshisname IV)

and personally I take greater issue with 'high mass' being done in Latin, when JC spoke Hebrew/Aramaic, and it was the Latin speaking Romans who ordered his execution (not the Jews as many a racist ****** might charge)

Answer 5

Just curious about Christ-mass day? Ok :

"The well-known solar feast of Natalis Sol Invicti, the nativity of the unconquered sun, celebrated on 25 December, has a strong claim on the responsibility for our December date."

- The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume 3, page 727

Christ-mas in the Greek is "Christ-miseo" which means "Christ-detester."

Christ-mas in the Hebrew is "Mashiach-m'ss'" which means "Messiah-trial."

The Scriptures record two birthday celebrations. And both of them were not among the people of YHWH. Each is among the heathen. The first is Pharoah's birthday party at Genesis 40:20-22, and the second is Herod's birthday party found at Matthew 14:6-10. What is interesting about both of these celebrations is that they involved murder.

If you search the Scriptures for a precedent in exchanging gifts, you'll find one example at Revelation 11:10. There is a little "Christ-mas party." Someone is "making merry." YHWH's two witnesses are killed on the streets of the holy city. The wicked are so happy to hear of their deaths that we read, "And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts to one another." That is how the unrighteous celebrate.

"But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to YHWH: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. Ye cannot drink the cup of your Sovereign Elohim, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of YHWH's Table; and of the table of devils."

1st Corinthians 10:20-21

Now if you attend one of those 501(c)3 IRS churches, you need to remove yourself immediately because they won't be reproved. Ever! Why? They serve mammon! That pastor and his flock are drinking from the cup of devils!

See also YirmeYah (Jeremiah) 10:2-6

Celebrating Messiah's birth AT ANY TIME seems like the devil's scheme to get us worshipping Yahshua the Messiah after the flesh, instead of knowing Him after the Spirit.

Yahshua the Messiah said, "Why do ye also transgress the commandment of YHWH by your own tradition?" and "But in vain do they worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." MattithYah (Matthew) 15:3,9

Now cruise down the boulevards and observe all the "Church" billboards advertising J-sus's Birthday Party.

What a money maker!

Answer 6

This issue is so divisive. Yes, Roman Catholicism "took" the traditions around the Winter Solstice et al and used them to promote Christianity--all cultures and practices tend to do that, it's not that uncommon.

I agree, I don't anyone who really believes that Dec 25 was the actual day--there have been calendar changes, it was the wrong time of year for lambs, etc.

Why does all this make any difference? We celebrate Thanksgiving on an arbitrary day, and many holidays that should be based on the lunar calendar have been moved to accommodate modern life. The reason is what is important, NOT the date or anything else.

Blessed Christmas
Happy Yule
Happy Kwanzaa
Happy Samhain
et cetera

Answer 7

Actually i think it was before the Catholic Church became all powerful. As near as I can recall, The Druids celebrated THe winter solstace on Dec. 25. The Christians didn't want to celbrate any type of pagan holiday, but they wanted to have fun too. So they essentially made up the holiday. We still celebrate it because it's tradition. Just like how we listen on Ground Hog day even though we know that winter is another 6 weeks till it ends.

Answer 8

I have never met anybody who believes Jesus was actually born on December 25th. The Catholic church arbitrarily picked December 25th, possibly because people of different cultures were used to having different kinds of winter festivals around that time. Since we don't know on what date he was born, we use that date to celebrate the fact of his birth. Others, of course, simply use it to celebrate a winter holiday, and that's quite alright if Jesus means nothing to them.
Is there any reason why we should stop celebrating Christ on that day, just because we "suddenly" discovered we don't know on what date He was born?

Answer 9

Nothing was "stolen" from pagans, dear one. The winter solstice is on Dec. 21.

God bless!

Answer 10

Who says they do?

I'm atheist, my girlfriend is pagan, my mother is a born-against Christian and we all celebrate Christmas. It has nothing to do with some kid that was born 2000 years ago.