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(Revelation 3:12) ““‘The one that conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out [from it] anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God, and that new name of mine.”

All we agree that these words are from Jesus in heavenly state. The question is, how can Jesus has a God if he is part of trinity? He wasn't in earth when he said these words to claim his human nature, he was in heaven.

2007-12-13 09:50:47 · 18 answers · asked by Cretan1986 2 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Leland P and buttercup the bible says for the people in Be·roe′a: “Now the latter were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·ni′ca, for they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so.” (Acts 17:11)
We have to read the bible and understand it. Much more this very important topic. The bible it's obvious, this verse of Revelation is obvious, Jesus is not God.

2007-12-13 10:04:21 · update #1

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Just as when Jesus went into his Father's earthly temple in Jerusalem and tossed out the robbers and money-changers, so too Jesus is going to come to God's spiritual temple for the same purpose.

According to Paul's writings at Ephesians 2:20-22, as well as 1 Corinthians 3:16 and 6:19, God's temple is the organization composed of his born again anointed sons and daughters.

At Revelation 3:12, Jesus similarly said: "To the one that conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it any more." Notice, that Jesus refers to "the temple of my God."

It is not Jesus' temple, even though Malachi 3:1 calls him the true Lord that comes to the temple. It is Jehovah's temple. Jesus is merely the Captain in charge of preparing God's temple for habitation by his Father.

2007-12-13 10:28:53 · answer #1 · answered by keiichi 6 · 2 0

Revelation 12 verses 7-9 informs us of the war that broke out in heaven and Satan and his angels were hurled down to the earth.
Matthew 8 verses28-32 gives the account of two demon possessed men. The demons ask Jesus in verse 29, what have we to do with you Son of God?
The demons, before being cast out of heaven witnessed Jesus in his heavenly postion beside his heavenly Father.
The demons here testify to two separate distinct individuals, the Father, Jehovah and His Son Jesus, again two separate distinct individuals!

2007-12-13 09:56:36 · answer #2 · answered by Just So 6 · 0 0

There are 3 which testify. the daddy, the Son and the Holy Spirit. those 3 are a million yet carry out diverse purposes. Jesus is God interior the flesh and author of all issues, sent via God the daddy and the Holy Spirit. Isaiah 40 8:12-13;sixteen 12 “ pay attention to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My observed as: i'm He, i'm the 1st, i'm additionally the final. 13 certainly My hand has laid the commencing up of the earth, And My maximum appropriate hand has stretched out the heavens; when I call to them, They arise mutually. sixteen “Come on the factor of Me, pay attention this: I even have not spoken in secret from the commencing up; From the time that it grew to become into, i grew to become into there. And now our lord god and His Spirit Have sent Me.”

2016-11-26 21:04:32 · answer #3 · answered by cisco 4 · 0 0

If you are trying to reconcile the Bible to the Trinitarian doctrine, you've set yourself an impossible task -- the Bible does NOT present God as triune.

But to help you understand...
John 1:1 claims that the Word was both God AND WITH God. That is clearly TWO beings that are God.

Yet Philippians 2:5-7 shows that the one who became Jesus Christ "emptied himself" and did not "grasp" after, clutch to, seek to retain his godliness. That is, from the time of his conception, Jesus was no longer the same as God the Father, the one who remained in heaven while Jesus was in the flesh. From that time on, the Father became Jesus' God too.

However, that does not mean that Jesus is not God in the way we tend to think of a person being God. After he was raised from the dead, he regained all his power, glory and authority (but under God the Father) (John 17:5). He is as powerful as he was before his days in the flesh.

Philippians 2:5-7 -- Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

John 17:5 -- And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

The Word of God, stepped down as God, to become human, mortal, flesh and blood, so he could lead us back with him to immortality, God's Kingdom and family, as sons of God:
1 John 3:2 -- Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
Hebrews 2:11 -- For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren.
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2007-12-14 16:26:34 · answer #4 · answered by BC 6 · 0 0

Two possibilities that I can think of are as follows.

First by "my God", Jesus may be referring to the Father or to the Godhead as a total. Jesus, even though part of the godhead, may refer to the total as his, and he would still have the same relationship to the Father. The Father is still Christ's Father, and Jesus may be calling Him "my God".

I am part of a family, and I sometimes talk about "my family". In the same way, Jesus may be referring to the totality of the godhead as "my God".

Secondly, the Greek word translated here as "my" is translated as "I" (11 times) and "me" (52 times) elswhere in the New Testament. It could be argued, therefore, that Jesus was was saying "me, GOD" instead of the possessive "my God". It could be that Jesus was emphazizing that He is God. (Notice this verse ends talking about "that new name of mine".)

2007-12-13 10:16:44 · answer #5 · answered by JoeBama 7 · 0 0

Jesus is not God. In addition to the scripture you used, Rev. 1:1 says that God GAVE Jesus the revelation. Did God give the revelation to himself? Of course not. So how then can Jesus be God?

Rev. 3:12 harmonizes with John 20:17, where Jesus told Mary: "I am ascending to my God and your God." When Jesus said that, he was no longer human. But still, Jesus had a God over him. 1 Cor. 11:3 says: The head of the Christ is God."

2007-12-13 09:53:30 · answer #6 · answered by LineDancer 7 · 1 3

The trinity is a myth. John told us that no one has seen GOD at any time, that would include all those people who saw Jesus when He was on earth.

2007-12-13 10:01:24 · answer #7 · answered by single eye 5 · 1 1

The trinity is as follows: The Father (God), the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit (The Omnipitant Presence).... They are all the seperate, yet all the same. The ONLY way to the Father is through His Son Jesus. It starts to make more sense once you go to church. I recommend Non Denominational

2007-12-13 09:56:31 · answer #8 · answered by sportznut05 3 · 0 2

Jesus is the only begotten son of God and trinity is not in the Bible.

2007-12-13 11:05:47 · answer #9 · answered by Believer In God 3 · 0 1

he was talking to the people of the church telling them that He is coming soon. He is speaking to them as Jesus, not as God. read the whole chapter and you will get the tone.

2007-12-13 09:56:43 · answer #10 · answered by dbu_44240 4 · 0 0

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