I have been taking ju-jitsu for several years and I am just a orange belt. I am a cop and while breaking up a fight one of the participants wouldn't stop and I was able to clamp a tight armlock on him. He screamed out in pain. Normally whenever cops subdue someone the onlookers always yell police brutality etc. Onlookers were heard saying why is he yelling. One guy even said to me why was he yelling. It insures compliance if applied right and it doesn't look like much. It certainly looks better for a cop to armlock someone than to punch, kick, or hit them with a baton. Anyone else out there have any similiar experiences?
2007-12-13 05:22:16 · 11 answers · asked by stevel226 3 in Sports ➔ Martial Arts
Maybe in your style or school orange belts are for teenagers. Not in mine.
2007-12-13 05:57:58 · update #1
Absolutely agree that jujitsu is one of the most useful things for a anyone in law enforcement. Especially standing ju jitsu (for comprehensive standing ju jitsu train in Wally Jay's Small Circle Ju Jitsu).
The comment about most ju jitsu moves are for mma only is ridiculous for a police officer. They are professionally responsible to attempt to subdue and arrest people, so what better art is there for that than ju jitsu?
2007-12-13 06:24:28 · answer #1 · answered by RJ 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Our style has orange belts for adults...
The armlock looks better and can cause a lot less harm than a taser or something.
2007-12-13 06:44:27 · answer #2 · answered by Allison L 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Absolutely.
I was in the Corporate Protection industry and I modified my art to reflect the law. Even though I did not have jurisdiction, I was required to know it by my employers. They did not want to be liable.
My techniques are "hidden". They don't seem like they are having the effect they have on the receiver.
These days, you have to be careful in every way with everything and everyone. I teach kids at the YMCA and I always have at least one parent present.
What you're doing is best. I don't have to tell you this but... CYA!!
2007-12-13 05:47:57 · answer #3 · answered by Darth Scandalous 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I completely agree with you.
My experience with the British Police and British Military Police, as well as with Japanese and Korean forces is that they actively train in and utilize such techniques to subdue combative suspects or arrested individuals.
Such pain compliance techniques when used properly are extremely effective, generally cause little to no long term damage, induce compliance quickly and enhance the safety of the arresting officer, and often reduce the appearance of excessive or unnecessary use of force which is important in terms of public relations.
Such Aikido, Jiu-Jitsu, HapKi-Do and similar training is an excellent compliment to verbal control skills and prior to weapon defense skills for police officers in the civil and military fields. Personally I think these techniques should be taught more concretely to all police officers in the US, as they are to the police in countries where they are not regulalry armed, such as the UK.
As with all things, controlling such situations should be a steady and progresive escalation of control and force until suitable compliance is obtained. I know all police forces in the US determine their own training in such matters and that varies considerably from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. I do however know of a few officers in San Francisco who are Jiu-Jitsu black belts and instructors and I know they use their skills appropriately when the moment arrives.
Ken C
9th Dan HapMoosaKi-Do
8th Dan TaeKwon-Do
7th Dan YongChul-Do
2007-12-13 09:17:05 · answer #4 · answered by Ken C 3 · 2⤊ 0⤋
I have had to re train many officers after they left the training academy because the techniques they were taught were more to protect the institution not the officer.
Armbars are excellent and elbow hyper extensions that put him on his face even better.Minor and major outer reaps also work well .Grab his right arm drive your right forearm under his chin step thru take out his legs or even one leg.
2007-12-13 06:13:32 · answer #5 · answered by bunminjutsu 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I have not had an experience like this but I agree with what you are saying.
Maybe all police officers should study a soft martial art.
2007-12-13 05:42:10 · answer #6 · answered by spidertiger440 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Thank You. We offer free classes for law enforcement at our school. It looks much better and is probably safer to handle arrest that way. There is a lot to it though You have to handle each incident differently. You may someday have to use the baton.
2007-12-14 03:19:12 · answer #7 · answered by SiFu frank 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
While I'm not in law enforcement per se, I do know that the legal system agrees with you. But even if you used strikes, as long as it was not excessive, you're still in the clear.
Thanks for doing what you do.
2007-12-14 11:45:43 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
All law enforcement officers should be taught to use submission holds. No more lawsuits for using tasers.
2007-12-13 05:29:46 · answer #9 · answered by R. Lee 3 · 2⤊ 0⤋
But how easy could it have been for the guy to have bitten you and gotten you to release? or say a friend of his coming up from behind & stomping your head into the ground? I think that it's good to learn Martial arts and such but keep in mind some techniques are best to be used in a MMA match not necessarily in the street.
2007-12-13 05:47:43 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 4⤋