Why there are no “Palestinian Jews”?

Question

I mean, there is Iraqi Jews, Iranian Jews, Yemeni, Moroccan, Tunisian, Spanish, British, American, Russian, Ethiopian, but there are no one from “the land of Palestine”.
If you will search among all the Israelis you will not find any family was in Palestine before 1839… all of them immigrated to Palestine after 1839…. And it s not a secret they all admit it.
Why before this date there was not a single Jew it is their “promised land”?
Just wandering…
example for those who are not Israelis,
Ehud Olmert, the current Israeli prime minister immigrated from Ukraine
Ariel Sharon immigrated from Russia.
Yitzhak Rabin, Ukrainian immigrant.
Theodor Herzl is Austrian,
Golda Meir, Russian immigrant.
Ben Gurion, from Poland
Also here in yahoo answers,
Moneymaker, south African,
Paperback, British,
Ultra, American.....
so who was in the promised land.... is it only Arabs “Muslims and Christians”

Paperback, read my question again, I said from “the land of Palestine”
Historically, land of Palestine border is, Golan Heights, Jordan River, red see, Mediterranean see.
Do you ever seen a Jewish from this area, … the answer is NO.

Paperback, anony, randy,,,, maybe you trust your history recourses; it is up to you if you want to fool yourself… but trust me, You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.

Answer 1

Read "From Time Immemorial" by Joan Peters

ANYONE living in "Palestine" prior to 1948 was a "Palestinian", whether Jew, Christian or Muslim.

The myth of a "Palestinian people" as a separate, definable people and culture wasn't created until after the 1967 War, when ex-Nazi advisors to the PLO and other terrorist groups who managed the PR campaign for them sought to turn the "Arab-Israeli" conflict into a more managable perception of a one-against-one war between Palestinians and Jews"

It hasn't worked so far, and the Muslims are continually shooting themselves in the foot ( if not the head ) with their constant rejection of Israeli concessions . . . for them, it's gotta be "all or nothing".

And, in the end, it'll be "nothing" because the world is fed up with their primitive barbarism and the the ingrained hatred that seems to be as necessary to them as the breath of life.

When I see a distinctly Islamic "peace movement" that advocates co-existance with Israel, then I'll sit up and take notice.

Until then, it's just another snore as far as I'm concerned.

Answer 2

There were most certainly Jews in the Holy Land prior to 1839. Many made their way back after the Diaspora and in the intervening years. Unfortunately, Ashkenazi Jews (European) treated the local Jews as second-class citizens in many instances (when they arrived beginning during the Russian pogroms).

The Holy Land Jews tended to be very poor, and of course they had little access to the Western Wall, their holy place. There is not much record of them, but they were there. Many who are now called Palestinians were not there, either, and certainly did not have their own country (they were always subjugated to another's rule).

I purposely don't say Palestine because it is a "slave name," the Roman name for the area.

Answer 3

actually there were Jews in palestine, primarily religious orthodox jews in jerusalem and a few settlements. but the ottoman empire wasn't about to let any back into palestine and after ww1 when the british ruled palestine they also did not allow immigration. then after ww2 and the holocaust, masses of surviving jews attempted to leave the charnel house of europe. america would only take a few thousand, so the only place left to try and go was their promised land. the british attempted to stop this influx of refugees and set up internment camps on cyprus to hold the ones they caught attempting to enter palestine. after israel declared independance in 1948, the doors were opened for jews worldwide to return.

Answer 4

Well, people distinctly identified as "Palestinian Jews" would cut the rug out from under "Palestine"'s reason for being, wouldn't it?

Established as the anti-Israel (that is, against the state with a Jewish majority, so also anti-Jewish), the displaced Jordanians, Syrians, and Egyptians (please find a reference to a Palestinian ethnicity pre-1967; Yasir Arafat may go down in history as founding a nationality) and the established Arab nations (most of whom don't like Israel very much anyway) backing up their claim for self-determination wouldn't like to admit that such a thing as a "Palestinian Jew" can exist.

If "Palestine" does get established as a state, its Arab support will evaporate like the wind. They're just being used for a cause now, and world media helps perpetuate the claim that "Palestinians" (the ones who set the bombs and train their kids to do the same thing while complaining the Israelis don't allow them to earn a living where they are -- oh for the golden days before 1948!) are innocent sheep being preyed upon by Israeli wolves.

Forgive me if it sounds like I'm spewing bile, but think about it. While the state of Israel didn't exist before 1948, the promise handed down through the Jewish people's scriptures was the binding force for them. And it's not as though Jews from Eastern Europe and Asia marched in and forcibly displaced people; if you want to nail anybody, nail the British who withdrew from their mandate after World War II over that area.

If once people settle or those who let them settle in the land find they can't get along, that can't be laid at anyone's feet but the inhabitants there. If the Israelis and the displaced Syrians, Jordanians, and Egyptians (how they'll wail at realizing Arafat's great fiction of "Palestinian") choose not to live in peace, I'm not sure outsiders should try to force them to.

Answer 5

The term 'Palestinian' was created by the Romans to offend the Jews living under their rule (it was based off 'Philistines', a historic enemy of the Jews).

So technically, the term 'Palestinian' was invented to describe the Jews.

The modern usage of 'Palestinian' has only been around since the 60's.

Answer 6

Palestine in the Bible

What does the Bible say about Palestine and the Palestinian people ?

Equal to Israel;

"Do you Israelites think you are more important to me than the Ethiopians ?" asks the LORD. "I brought you out of Egypt, but have I not done as much for other nations, too? I brought the Philistines from Crete and led the Arameans out of Kir" Amos 9:7


Abraham stayed a long time there;

" And Abraham sojourned many days in the land of the Philistines." Ge 21:34

David got protection there;

"But David kept thinking to himself, "Someday Saul is going to get me. The best thing for me to do is escape to the Philistines. Then Saul will stop hunting for me, and I will finally be safe."" 1 Samuel 27:1

More righteous than Isaac;

"king of the Philistines looked out of a window and saw Isaac fondling Rebekah his wife. So Abim'elech called Isaac, and said, "Behold, she is your wife; how then could you say, 'She is my sister'?" Isaac said to him, "Because I thought, 'Lest I die because of her.'" Abim'elech said, "What is this you have done to us? One of the people might easily have lain with your wife, and you would have brought guilt upon us." (Genesis 26:6-11)



Palestinians are the Judges of Israel;

"These were the nations: the Philistines (those living under the five Philistine rulers), all the Canaanites, the Sidonians, and the Hivites living in the hill country of Lebanon from Mount Baal-hermon to Lebo-hamath. These people were left to test the Israelites – to see whether they would obey the commands the LORD had given to their ancestors through Moses." Judges 3:3-4

"And he judged Israel in the days of the Philistines twenty years." Jud 15:20



Israel Given to the Palestinians;

"And Samuel said to him, "The LORD has torn the kingdom of Israel from you this day, and has given it to a neighbor of yours, who is better than you." 1Samuel 15:28, and (jos 13:1)



Israel Sold To Palestinians;

"And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he sold them into the hand of the Philistines and into the hand of the Ammonites" Jos 10:7



In conclusion, God in the Bible favored Palestine more than Israel

Answer 7

there are, but they are now called israeli jews.

just like the palestinian arabs should really be called jordanian now, because the old region of palestine was split into a jewish part, israel, and an arab part, jordan.

the west bank is now problematic, of course. it used to be part of jordan, but when jordan used it to attack israel, and lost the war, they gave up all rights to the land, didn't want it anymore. so now it's kind of no man's land.

but the premise of your question is a lie. of course there were jewish people on the land. continuously, since before islam existed. if anything, it is the islamic cultures that have invaded and taken over other people's lands; in africa, south asia and all over the middle east. israel is in the same place that the ancient state of israel was. a continous presence for thousands of years.
how nice for you that you cal list 6 israelis that came from other places. i'm pretty sure we can think of 6 americans that were born elsewhere. who cares?

EDIT: beatme's numbers are of course twisted. as i said, the old region of palestine consisted of present day israel, jordan, and parts of syria and lebanon. of course there were more muslims when you count the whole area. when you count today's israel only, it's clear that jewish people have always been there.

Answer 8

Actually there are Palestinian Jews - I found an article very easy about this on Wikipeida - here is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jew Your facts are also incorrect - here is some more information on prior to the 1839 date you suggest which gives you some information of Jews living in the future British mandate while it was ruled by the Ottomans: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Land_of_Israel#Ottoman_period

Good Luck!!!

Answer 9

Actually, this is quite false. I met a man who was 20th generation Jerusalemite, and 18th generation Hebronite. His ancestors came to Israel over 500 hundred years ago after the expulsion from Spain (the second set stayed a generation or two in Greece). Feel free to concede your point.
From a logistical point of view, it is really quite simple. After the Romans put down the bar-Kochba revolt in the first half of the second century Jews practically fled Israel. The Romans used heavy handed tactics, and estimates from both sides but Jewish casualties at half a million. From that point on, the center of Jewish living was outside of Israel, and the Jewish population there dwindled. Until around 600 the largest communities were in present day Iraq, but Jews really spread out all over the world. In those days, it was very difficult to travel and find a new place to live, which is really why people stayed put unless they couldn't. However, many notable Jewish figures attempted to make a living in Israel. Both Miamonides and Nachmanides attempted it. Maimonides ultimately left for Egypt because the area wasn't really developed enough at the time to support a strong and specialized population (this would remain true until the return of the Jews in conjunction with British control). Nachmanides founded a synagogue there that is known to this day, but it was tough living. Rabbi Judah the Levi also attempted to immigrate there, but soon after arriving all trace of him disappeared and it's most likely that he was killed their. Clearly during the Middle Ages, mass immigration wasn't possible, and so the aftermath of the Roman occupation could not be rectified. With passing of time, travel became more assured and easier, but still not enough to create immigration without impetus. This impetus was anti-Semitism in Europe and Russia, which started the wheels of Zionism. Once the movement gained momentum, people started coming without the anti-Semitic impetus, building the country as it is today.
Many people on your list aren't immigrants themselves, but children of immigrants. Rabin was the first Prime Minister born in Israel for example. Either way, I think your immigration point is a weak one. Palestinians are Arabs, and Arabs themselves are immigrants to the region (they're from Arabia). This means that Palestinians immigrated within the last 1400 years. At that point does it really matter? Is there any specific cut-off where someone who immigrated before X years is native and one after is not? Most Israelis today were born in Israel, which is more native to me than someone born in a refugee camp in some other country.

Answer 10

From several sources, I have gleaned that there were about 7,000 Palestinian Jews in 1838. An introduction to the Jewish history of diaspora should help you answer that question fully.

For many centuries Jews considered it to be their fate in the world to live in exile and await the Messiah who would bring them out of exile. Consequently, there was no great push to return to Palestine. It is only as a consequence of the zionist movement that this view began to change. That coupled with the treatment they were receiving in other countries, which culminated in the death of some 6 million Jews, led to mass immigration to Palestine. This was not necessarily in search of "the promised land", but in search of an oasis of safety for Jews, irrespective of their religious beliefs.

Your question belies an ignorance about the Jewish people and their connection to their historical homeland. Just as a Muslim or a Christian has a spiritual and historical connection to the Holy Land, so too do Jews. That does not mean that all Muslims or Christians or Jews have to live there to prove it! And unlike Muslims and Christians, Jews have never controlled any land outside of the Holy Land. It is the unifying point of reference for Jews and always has been. And I'm sure there has always been a feeling in their hearts that the land was really theirs, despite their absence for a variety of reasons, as it is mentioned in the Tanakh (Bible) that G-d gave them the land forever.

EDIT: Thank you, paperback! Actually, my degree is in poltical science. I'm not sure I've got the stomach for politics, but I do enjoy dialoguing about it. Perhaps one day I will take it a step further.