what about trinity?

Question

the word trinity doesnt exits in bible
jesus never said of trinity
then why people belive in it
jesus clearly said in the first comandment
The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord Mark 12:29

The "Trinity," or 1+1+1=1

Jesus and God can not be co-equal because the Bible says:
"... my Father is greater than I" John 14:28

Obviously if God is greater than Jesus (pbuh) then they can not be equal. We also read:
"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son,but the Father." Mark 13:32

If Jesus and God were equal then it follows that they will be equal in knowledge. But as we can see, God is greater in knowledge than Jesus

Answer 1

The NT confirms that only Peter witnessed the crucifixion:

First of all, it is important to know that according to the New Testament itself, all of Jesus' Disciples fled for their lives on the night of crucifixion. None of them witnessed Jesus' crucifixion except for one, that is Saint Peter! He was the lone and only witness of the actual crucifixion event. Let us look at what the Bible's New Testament says:

Matthew 26:34-35, 55-57, 69-75
34 Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
35 Peter said unto him, Though I should die with thee, yet will I not deny thee. Likewise also said all the disciples.
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55 In that same hour said Jesus to the multitudes, Are ye come out as against a thief with swords and staves for to take me? I sat daily with you teaching in the temple, and ye laid no hold on me.
56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.
57 And they that had laid hold on Jesus led him away to Caiaphas the high priest, where the scribes and the elders were assembled.
69 Now Peter sat without in the palace: and a damsel came unto him, saying, Thou also wast with Jesus of Galilee.
70 But he denied before them all, saying, I know not what thou sayest.
71 And when he was gone out into the porch, another maid saw him, and said unto them that were there, This fellow was also with Jesus of Nazareth.
72 And again he denied with an oath, I do not know the man.
73 And after a while came unto him they that stood by, and said to Peter, Surely thou also art one of them; for thy speech bewrayeth thee.
74 Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew.
75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.


Now as we clearly see, Peter did witness the so-called crucifixion event. He was present there. The only thing that saved him from death is his denial that he knew Jesus. Otherwise, he would've got crucified that night.



Examples of third-party narrations in the "Gospels" of the NT:

Let us also notice the third-party narration in the "Gospel of Matthew", and in the rest of the so-called "Gospels" of the New Testament. Here are few examples:

From www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm:

"...And as Jesus passed forth thence, HE (Jesus) saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and HE (Jesus) saith unto HIM (Matthew), follow ME (Jesus) and HE (Matthew) arose, and followed HIM (Jesus). (Matthew 9:9)"

"And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? (From the King James Version Bible, John 1:19)"

"John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (From the King James Version Bible, John 1:26)"

"For John was not yet cast into prison. (From the King James Version Bible, John 3:24)"

etc.....

Some important notes about the "blind" trinitarians from the Apocalypse:



1- Jesus, peace be upon him, clearly never got crucified according to the Revelation. He spoke about the "substitute" that got crucified in his place that perfectly matches the Noble Quran's Divine Claims:

"That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them. (The Noble Quran, 4:156-159)"




2- Peter according to the NT and to the Apocalypse was the only one who witnessed the crucifixion. There is even further evidence in Hebrews 5:7 of the NT that clearly support Peter's Apocalypse.


3- Jesus pointed to the Arabs as the future race when he called them "another race." Even the New Testament supports this quote very well:

"Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 21:43)"

The "blind" from the polytheist trinitarian pagans and the others who believed and still believe that Jesus got crucified will never prevail. They only believe in lies without certain knowledge. Even their scriptures are all man-made as we clearly saw above in the third-party narration proofs. This goes well, by the way, with the following Noble Verses:

"Behold! Allah said: O Jesus! I will take thee And raise thee to Myself And clear thee (of the falsehoods) Of those who blaspheme; I will make those Who follow thee superior To those who reject faith, To the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, And I will judge Between you of the matters wherein ye dispute. (The Noble Quran, 3:55)"

"That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them. (The Noble Quran, 4:156-159)"


The current trinity lie is not different from the far eastern pagan religions:

Some might say that since most Christians today are "Trinitarians" or polytheist trinitarian pagans who believe that Jesus died on the cross for our sins, then this must mean that their religion is Divine and Truthful.

We have already seen above about what Jesus said regarding the "blind" ones. But even according to the New Testament itself, trinitarians are actually false because they are the majority and they are the "blind" ones. Let us look at the following verses:

Matthew 15:9
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


Matthew 7:22-23
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.



The far eastern pagan religions!

It is also important to know that the earth's population is around 7.0 billion people, half of which are far-eastern pagans. Not only that, but their pagan religions (buddhism, hinduism, shintos, etc...) date 1000s of years back. This means that many billions of humans have already been doomed in Hell because of their paganism. Yet, they are the majority!

Answer 2

Well, sir, there are a lot of terms used today that are not in the bible. They were originally written in Greek, then latin by St. Jerome.

The Trinity is like this: 3 leaves, but 1 plant. They are NOT 3 different Gods.

God the Father
God the Son (Jesus)
God the Holy Spirit

3 in 1

Jesus was also Human (John 14:28) and therefore, able to be tempted, although he didn't sin.

Mark 13:32, which Bible are you using? Ours (the Catholic one) says "Of that day and hour, noone knows, not even the angels in Heaven. The Father only."

He was referring to God, which means he knew. How else could he have shown John the end of times in the book of Revelation?

Answer 3

You mean the following:

1.The Living God the Eternal Father.

2. His Only Begotten , Son in the Flesh, The Living Jesus Christ.

3.Te Living Holy Ghost, the Messenger

Answer 4

Trinity: The central doctrine of religions of Christendom. According to the Athanasian Creed, there are three divine Persons (the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost), each said to be eternal, each said to be almighty, none greater or less than another, each said to be God, and yet together being but one God. Other statements of the dogma emphasize that these three “Persons” are not separate and distinct individuals but are three modes in which the divine essence exists. Thus some Trinitarians emphasize their belief that Jesus Christ is God, or that Jesus and the Holy Ghost are Jehovah. Not a Bible teaching.

What is the origin of the Trinity doctrine?

The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.

The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.

In The Encyclopedia Americana we read: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.

According to the Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, “The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”—(Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.

John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—(New York, 1965), p. 899.

Answer 5

God bless you Jesus loves you, are you sure that there is not any trinity, because the Bible tells us and tells me in the Book of John chapter 16verse 5 thorught 15 , that Jesus was going to sent His Spirit the counsleer. because God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are three but One. Jesus also said that " I and My Father are One" the Book of John chapter 10:30. the HOly Bible does not say, "Jesus is a prophet but not God's Son. but in the Bible the Book of John chapter 3:16 says " That For God so loved the world, that He gave His Only Begotten Son." and The Bible does not say that in a such way God loved the world. if He would have loved us in a such way, He would not love us any more, and He would destroy us already.. God bless you Jesus loves you

Answer 6

What about when Jesus is speaking in John 10:30? He says there "I and the Father are one."

Or in Philippians 2:5-8?
Think of yourselves the way Christ Jesus thought of himself. *He had equal status with God* but didn't think so much of himself that he had to cling to the advantages of that status no matter what. Not at all. When the time came, he set aside the privileges of deity and took on the status of a slave, became human! Having become human, he stayed human. It was an incredibly humbling process. He didn't claim special privileges. Instead, he lived a selfless, obedient life and then died a selfless, obedient death—and the worst kind of death at that—a crucifixion.

Answer 7

Isaiah 43:11,Hosea13:4 say there is no saviour besides me(God). John 3:16-17 says that Jesus was sent to save the world. so if God is the only saviour and Jesus is the saviour then Jesus is God.

Answer 8

Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Jesus said that himslef.

As well as:

John 8:58
"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

Answer 9

The Trinity can be explained like a shamrock. Three leaves but one plant. Each part of the Trinity ,Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is like a leaf on the Shamrock, but the totality of it is one plant, thus also ONE God.

Answer 10

Those are a couple of the many reasoning points in the bible that prove that the Trinity is unscriptural.

LiveforChrist: With respect, you might want to consider John 17:11. There Jesus prays that his disciples might all be "one" and they all one with Jesus and his Father. Are we looking at a parthenon of Gods?

Mike: Respectfully, how is mentioning the three separate entities, the Father, son and the Holy Spirit suddenly making them one? My sister and nephew and I are going to Disney World again in April. I don't think my saying that turns us into a trinity.

Answer 11

If you, being Islamic, claim to understand Christian theology, then what is the point of answering you, seeing as you answer yourself?

Have you not read how a man and a woman when they become man and wife are one?

1 + 1 = 1?

The problem lies with a carnal mind, devoid of spiritual understanding.

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