Do you think Palestines deserve a country?

Question

If yes, is this the one and only answer for all Arab world to turn friendly to Jews and let them be in peace and harmony?
Does Israel hold the key for peace, but fanatisism blinds Jewish people and cannot see through this reality, all these years?

Answer 1

The struggle between the Palestinians and the Israelis seems to be one of the most contentious and violent in the world today. What makes it worse is that both seem to have fundamentally valid moral goals - except with specific incidents, there is no clear good and evil and there is no easy black and white decision.

On the one hand, the Israelis seem to have a valid claim to having a state and to being safe and free from terrorism. Except for extremists in the Middle East, few try to make a case today for eliminating the state of Israel entirely and no one believes that a constant state of fear among the Israeli people is something morally acceptable.

Yet, the Palestinians seem to have valid moral claims as well. They, too, would like to have their own state - and how can anyone accept the right of Jews to have a state in Israel but also deny that Palestinians should be permitted the same? Palestinians would also like to live in peace without having to be in a constant state of fear - not so much from terrorist bombers but from the Israeli military.

Palestinians can even make a valid argument against the morality and/or legality of the creation of the state of Israel in the first place - but Israel isn't going anywhere and recriminations about the actions of the British government serve little or no purpose today. What is important is to find a way towards achieving a peaceful relationship between Palestinians and Israelis today and achieving stability between a state of Israeli and a Palestinian state. This will require balancing the valid moral claims from both sides and that, in turn, requires a better understanding of both the history of this conflict and where it stands today.

Answer 2

Yes and no, and no. The Palestinians had the chance for a country and refused to take the opportunity. Between the ratification of the partition plan in 1947 and the Six Day War in 1967 nothing was done about creating this country. Clearly there was no instinctive drive as a people to found this country, and they were quite content living under Jordanian and Egyptian rule. Because of this I do not feel that they have any philosophical right to a country. On the other hand, some millions of Palestinians live in Gaza+West Bank, so by simple logistics and the reality of the situation they deserve a country. In effect, they have the right of the masses if not the right itself. That was the yes and no.
As for the far-reaching consequences you apply to the creation such a country, I think it baseless. Let's recall that the Arab-Israeli conflict did not begin with occupation 40 years ago. It began as a concerted effort by the Arab powers to destroy the Jewish state, and that at least 80 years ago. There is no logical reason to assume that all those motivations for violence have simply disappeared. Arab riots throughout the 1920's and 30's, the War of Independence in 1948 as well as the Six Day War in 1967 all predate occupation. Palestinian terror and the founding of the PLO (1964) also predate the occupation. Perhaps the current conflict has taken up all of our attention, but let's not pretend that it's the cause of everything.
And even assuming it is the cause of everything, I wouldn't say fanaticism has blinded Israel (which I assume is what you meant instead of Jewish people). If anything, it's the other way around. Hamas, a fanatic party bent on the destruction of Israel and NOT the creation of Palestine, were popularly elected in a democratic election. At the same time in Israel, Kadima was elected on a platform of further concessions and pull-outs from the territories. Which seems more fanatic and hawkish to you?

Answer 3

I'm not sure what it means to "deserve" a country, or what the criteria would be to determine this. It does appear that a separate country for those who now call themselves "Palestinians" might be a big step toward solving the problem. But I'd be concerned that, even after this happened, the Arab world would not "turn friendly to Jews." As Paperback Writer pointed out, the original partition gave them more than half the land, and the Arab nations immediately attacked Israel anyway. So obviously, there would need to be a formal recognition of Israel's right to exist, and credible guarantees of an end to the attacks against Israel.

Answer 4

Here is a brief historical past lesson. After the autumn of the Roman Empire, the land within the Middle East used to be claimed and owned by means of the Ottoman Empire, in these days referred to as Turkey. In the Ottoman Empire, the Empire owned all of the land, now not the persons. During WWII, the Ottoman Empire used to be just about broke, and wanted cash, in order that they began promoting land to anybody so as to purchase guns so as to shield itself from the Nazis. Some Jewish leaders in New York purchased a few of that land and on the finish of WWII a few Jews began to transport onto that land. The persons that have been residing on that land, in these days are referred to as the Palestinians, refused to go away the land. So battles broke out among the Jews and the Arabs. So in 1948 the UN determined to established a Jewish country and a Palestinian Nation. The Jews authorized, the Palestinians refused. The Jewish leaders over time have made many concessions to the Palestinian leaders, to no avail. But sincerely, each Hammas and Hezbollah refuse to recognize the country of Israel, as a result there'll by no means be any type of peace till they recognize that Israel exists and has a correct to exist. Both in their charters name for the extermination of the "Zionists". They effortlessly state that the one method to have peace is for the Jews to be killed. There will by no means be a two state resolution till each Hammas and Hezbollah recognize the correct of Israel to exist. The Jews don't have got to "return to Europe", the Bible and countless different historical files monitor that the Jews and the Arabs each have been within the Middle east within the commencing. The country of Israel presents complete Israeli citizenship to the Palestinians, however once more they do not want to be given the present. The Arab international locations that encompass Israel refuse to enable the Palestinian persons to immigrate to the Arab international locations, consequently conserving the Palestinians hostage within of Israel. Israel isn't the predicament within the Middle East, it's the Arab international locations and the terrorist businesses like Hammas and Hezbollah that refuse to recognize the correct of Israel to exist. Read the charters of each Hammas and Hezbollah, they name for the extermination of the Jews. They refuse to enable peace till that occurs.

Answer 5

Yes they do and I as a Palestinian should make the Arabs love the Palestinians and stop discriminating against them even before asking them to love the Israelis and live in peace with them. How do you expect people who abuse their own people to love and live in peace with those who they consider enemies?
I hope you understand what I mean.
Unfortunately the Arabs do evil things and the Palestinians have to pay for guilt they didn't commit just like the war in 1948.

Peace

Answer 6

And yes, it is fanaticism on the Jewish side that wants a one and single state as opposed to fanaticism on the Arab side that would deny Jews ANY state that is the cause of the current animosity. (Yes, that's sarcasm.)

Answer 7

I am a Jew. And, I believe the only way to have peace there is to divide the country into two countries. I believe in UN Resolution 181, too----that the Old city of Jerusalem should be an international city. Let the Jews have West Jerusalem and the Arabs East Jerusalem. I am just afraid that there are too many fanatics (both sides) to put this all in place.

Answer 8

If Israel has the right to exist so dose Palestine.
Past history based on who was wrong and who was right argument dose not serve any one.
The issue today with Israel can Israel keep occupying territories which was never part of Israel. Zionist fanaticism so far blinds the Israeli leaders to keep occupying land that was never part of Israel. The Israelis have 3 choices: 2 viable states, one state for all or war zone country forever. This is what the Israeli leaders are facing today and the Israeli leaders refuse to take the final exam of peace. They have useless strategy called buying more time by wars and civil wars in the Middle East and Palestine too. Israel should take that exam the sooner the better for all of us.

Answer 9

of course palestine deserves a country...... Who doesnt?
I'm not palestinian, but after the Yalta Conference at the end of WW II, their land has given to Israel.
Please, dont tell me that Israel deserves it bcoz God had promised it to them.
As I said in another reply, almost all Middle East was part of the Roman Empire... and according whith the reasons that Israel argues, then it means that Spain, UK, France, Portugal, has to be part of Italy now bcoz Rome was the capital of that Empire. That has not sense.
Even, palestinians got a piece of that land, but Israel is taking each day more and more of it, and now palestinians havent rights in their own land. Many israelit farmers built their farms in palestinian place, and didnt want to abandon them when was asked.
Anyways...since Israel doesnt learn to live in peace with another countries and respect their rights, peace wont be possible.
Why do you think that many palestines are trying to get their land back? They havent now what the "friends" of Yalta Convention gave to them. They have now, less than a 20% of the land they had in 1948. Is that fair? Who didnt respect the international decision here?
Even Israel......took part of the land of Lebanon till 2002.....and although they have troubles with Hezbollah, havent the right to take the land.
You take your own conclusions.

BTW..I dont think it is the jewish pple.........but politicians.

EDIT...
I'm reading some of the other replies now, and obviously, each part has its own "true"
Anyways, we'll not solve any problem here.
Salam


SAMA....I agree totally with you.
and also about Jerusalem.. it has to be an international city, bcoz is the main city to the spiritual world. As much as for arabs, and jews as for christians.

Answer 10

Please do an online search for the partition plan of 1947/8. With both Jews and Arabs living Palestine, the plan suggested dividing the area into: a Jewish state, and an Arab state. The Jewish state was to be smaller, but the Jews agreed. The Arab world rejected the plan and declared war.

The Jewish part is now Israel. The Arab nations attacked Israel within 12 HOURS of her declaring independence. The Palestinian Arabs were told to flee so that the Arab nations could do their stuff, and promised they could return.

But the Israelis defended themselves well, and pushed the attacking Arab states back. That's how Israel got land that was not originally hers.

The Palestinian Arabs were left to rot in camps; nobody has wanted to help them. In Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, to this day, they remain in camps.

At the same time as all this was happening, an EQUAL number of Jews was kicked out of every Arab country.

And what happened to those Jews? Do you think they were left by their own people to rot in camps?

No. Israel absorbed them.

But don't take my word for all this, you can find it in any decent history book dealing with the middle east. It is all verifiable, objective fact.

Remember: Israel takes up 0.01 % of the middle east.

There are 22 Muslim countries.

You do the maths :)