First, it's spelled ATHEIST.
I was born, have always been, and will always be, an atheist. I have read the ENTIRE Bible multiple times, so UNLIKE most Christians, I know what it actually SAYS, beyond the carefully-filtered parts that preachers spew. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the Bible is THE most violent, immoral book ever written (and mistranslated). READ it and its scandalous history sometime.
I would NEVER worship a sadistic, immoral, killer Jesus-God who drowned, plagued, and slaughtered millions (more than Hitler), conspired to have his own kid/self brutally beaten and killed, hardened hearts so he could torture people, and repeatedly COMMANDED his followers to kidnap, rape, hurt, and kill others - even if he did exist. I know that none of that is moral or 'love' or worthy of praise.
If all of that violence and immorality appeals to YOU, then you are free to slobber all over him, and to dunk your own children into it. I truly couldn't care less what YOU choose to believe. Just keep it OUT of the laws and schools that apply to everyone. I don't want MY children's morals to be jeopardized by nasty Biblical dogma.
Atheists have just as much right to speak their opinions about gods as anyone else. There is nothing forbidding atheists from blaspheming any of them. The Bible doesn't apply to non-Christians, just as Hindu texts don't apply to non-Hindus. If you don't like it or can't handle it, you can go to a church, instead of a public forum where ALL viewpoints are welcomed.
2007-12-12 05:18:18
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answer #1
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answered by gelfling 7
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Objectively peruse the questions of R&S, and see many have chips on their shoulder. R&S is like a bad night at a cocktail party, never talk religion, politics or money, because you will get everyones opinion. R&S is a learning forum, where we can express our feelings w/o fear of a bloody nose for doing so. Not everytime do we get the answer we seek, but we do gain the experiance for further thought, good or bad, but most likely different. My thought, that while the benefits of R&S outweight the negitive, often what we may forget to remember is, these are other peoples thoughts or beliefs and are due respect as yours are. Unfortuneately this failure often results in the equivalant of stomping on someones toe, after it may have already been stubbed. A moment for a breath may occasionally help.
Edit: many is not to infer Atheist but to infer many people.
2007-12-12 05:52:22
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answered by Anonymous
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That's a pretty good question...I have often wondered what purpose all of the venom served as well.
I, too, am okay with people's decisions are about their own spirituality or lack thereof. for some reason, that does not seem to be the case (at least here in R&S) in the reverse.
I have wonderfully interesting and enlightening conversations with nonbelievers all of the time. They never descend to the baseness and simple unwillingness to let someone be who they are--Christian or not--that is displayed here.
Consequently, I am still very good friends with everyone I have ever conversed with about our differences of opinion. We discuss things in an intelligent and adult manner, and we part the same friends we were before we talked. But we respect each other, something that is grossly lacking in R&S. We respect each other's right to personally held beliefs and opinion.
I think life would improve significantly if the same thing could happen in R&S, and in the world: an exchange of ideas and ideologies, friendly discussion and debate. But then, that might mean some people would actually have to at the very least give credence to the individual's right to believe as they please.
I wonder if it's possible...if it will ever be possible...
Interesting question. God bless you. †
Jennifer S: Even if someone is simply saying to you 'repent', can't you just ignore them? You ignore them anyway, right?Someone someplace sometime is going to reiterate something that displeases or irritates another. Can't those who aren't interested just disregard what is being said?
2007-12-12 05:30:52
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answered by 1985 & going strong 5
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Atheism is built upon an antipathy toward the supreme power. yes I believe blasphemy should carry a libel punishment but the churches have been stripped of their power. God haters are usually who yes, have lostthe faith, and rather than finding their way back to the universal spirit spens time accusing and scandalmongering against religion. Indeed it is very wrong. But Armageddon is when all have rights, civil liberties except those foro whom those laws were created to protect. You can slander God and Religion but woe betide if you call any media fodder crass hyped up gilded mediocrity. The lawyers would be on your doorstep before you could say Liberty. What man has sacrificed and lost in the cause of freedom, free will, free speech, finding himself more chained and enslaved than ever before.
2007-12-12 05:20:06
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answered by VAndors Excelsior™ (Jeeti Johal Bhuller)™ 7
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personally i hate the fundie mentality. I question your unswerving devotion to a book and yet cant even manage to admit that it might be WRONG. you attempt to explain away anything that conflicts with the stories in your book but offer nothing but "its the word of god" or "its in the bible so it must be true" when posed with questions that PROVES that the story could NOT have happened as told in your book. Johna was swallowed by a fish, lived for three days inside it, and god asked the fish to spit him out on a beach. no fish has EVER lived at the same time as humanity that is or was capable of swallowing a man whole and living. but to a fundie it is your 'truth' and I am expected to believe just because YOU do. it is your 'believe or burn in hell, question nothing and believe what you are told, non-believers are ignorant and evil, everyone must believe as we do' mentalities that I hate. its your superiority complex and holier than thou attitude that I despise. it triggers an immediate mental block to ANYTHING that you say. I don't listen to your rantings and I have no interest in becoming one of you. my answers on this forum are, usually, limited to the ranting and preaching 'questions' posted by the fundies.
2007-12-12 05:26:02
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answered by Anonymous
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We wouldn't have a chip on our shoulder if we weren't being constantly told to repent. As for getting all 'hot and bothered', take a look at some of the other questions and you will see that it's the Christians that who get all 'hot and bothered'. Oh, and learn how to spell.
2007-12-12 05:21:44
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answered by Jennifer S 1
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It is usually not due to a bad personal experience that we come to dislike religion...it's by watching the news, reading history books, and realizing that these people walking around, trying to convert others to way of thinking, have no reason to be so assured that they are correct and in the right. No reason to believe, to be so confident. Yet they are. And that is just unsettling.
2007-12-12 05:16:41
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answered by Anonymous
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At every opportunity they are given, christian evangelists will tell me that I will go to hell unless I believe what they believe. Their definition of hell may change, and their beliefs vary, but after so many years it all begins to feel like a never-ending barrage. Why can't christians just be happy with being themselves? Why do they have to go out and try to convert everyone else to their line of thinking? Why can't they let me be free to believe what I want to believe?
So the constant evangelizing leaves marks. Once you start getting sensitive to the word 'christian' you start to notice the people around you, the jesus fish, the politicians who proclaim their christianity and then lie or cheat or steal or end up being hypocrites, the televangelists who proclaim their power in God and end up fleecing millions from gullible people who *just want to be happy*... And that doesn't even scratch what happens when you start to look at the history of christianity and the atrocities committed in Jesus' name.
You begin to ask questions like - if God is omnipotent, why do bad things still happen to good people? If God is fair and impartial, why are some people born to privilege and some die before they even have a chance to live? If God is so evident, why can't everyone agree what God is and what he/she/it/they wants from us? If God is so good, honest, and virtuous, why aren't his followers?
At this point in my life, I seek an answer to this line of reasoning - If reason and logic are good, and God is the sum of all good things, then shouldn't God be ultimately reasonable and logical? So why do christians seem to reject logical and rational thinking? Why have christian proponents rejected scientific advances when they challenge their preconceptions? Whether it was Galileo's astronomy or vaccines (yes, even vaccines!) many Christians have fought the advancement of science and understanding of the world around us. Why?
I grow sick of it, sometimes! Can you imagine living in a world where you are different than over 80% of the population, and being persecuted for it, ridiculed for it? I have heard it said that atheists are the last minority, and I don't doubt it. Christians sell books and proclaim their faith based on their "conversions" from atheism, they vigorously deny any possibility that an atheist could possibly be moral... christians in general afford atheism the least amount of moral character of any other worldview. I hear it in sermons, in letters, in web pages, in blog posts... sometimes I get sick of it! Why the constant prejudice? Are they afraid we might be right? Why is their faith so shaky? Why must they promote their faith through legislation and erase the separation of church and state?
Maybe, as a believer, you're wrapped up in a comfortable blanket of faith, snuggled up to your affirmations of faith. I only have my meager shawl of truth to keep me warm, and you scorn me for it. You patronize me with words from your sacred texts, you demonize my doubts, you marginalize my love of truth and rational thought, you disparage my morality.
How could I possibly be resentful and angry at christians? I mean, I do know some good people who happen to be very christian. It's just that the other 95% are some combination of ignorant, stupid, and/or evil. How many times do you see an ignorant christian (which isn't really that bad) or a stupid christian (which is the true tragedy - incurable!) before you start to make a correlation in your head?
Do you see, now? The worst part of it all is that most of you aren't even that bad of people! Oh sure, good portions of you are ignorant and/or stupid, but the real tragedy is that you *good* christians won't tell the *evil* *fundamental* *intolerant* *whacko* christians to shut the hell up!
I get sick of it, sometimes!
Saul
2007-12-12 07:25:58
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answered by Saul 7
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yeah, i know what you mean. I knew this guy in high school who was an athiest, he was always moody and disliked everything to do with God and such. I don't think he would be so irratable if he just had faith. But I think he mostly was afraid to be disappointed. Like so many of us, we are afraid that God may not exist. But I have total faith he exists, no question about it.
2007-12-12 05:18:53
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answered by I ? my assets. 4
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Perhaps if you had spent more time watching your teachers and less 'watching athists' you might not be the complete nincompoop that you are now.
2007-12-12 05:19:31
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answered by Anonymous
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