Examining a TSI proxy, how can the Sun possibly be blamed for the current global warming?

Question

Some anthropogenic global warming skeptics have claimed that although Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) has remained essentially unchanged as global warming has accelerated rapidly over the past 30 years, the Sun may be responsible due to some sort of delay factor (perhaps related to the oceans' heat storage capacity).

Well examining the best available TSI proxy (from a Lean 2000 paper), the TSI increased from 1910-1950, decreased from 1950-1975, and remained roughly unchanged from 1975-Present.

http://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/tsilean.jpg

Examining the global temperature, it similarly increased from 1910-1940 (aerosol cooling overwhelmed warming effects from 1940-1950), decreased slightly from 1940-1970, and then increased rapidly from 1970-Present.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/2005/ann/global-blended-temp-pg.gif

So the global temperature followed the TSI fairly closely for most of the 20th century.

Why is this no longer the case?

I'm not talking about Svensmark's galactic cosmic ray theory. I'm talking about the theory that the Sun is directly responsible for the current warming.

Flaws in the GCR theory are discussed here:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Ahuxfpv5RzyHSeqsVZ1fxnEjzKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20071030112550AA7AXSu

Answer 1

It's very easy to blame the Sun. The general process goes something like this...

Stage 1) Read a thousand reports from astrophysicists, NASA, Stanford Solar Center etc that rule out the Sun - dismiss them.

Stage 2) Read a report by an organisation funded by an oil company that says the Sun is to blame and hey presto - proof.

Stage 3) Close mind, put on blinkers and parrot the report from the oil company at every available opportunity whilst ignoring anything and everything that refutes it.

Stage 4) Convince yourself you know more than the global community of scientists with over 100 years of research beneath their belts and parade around inflating your own ego whilst all knowledgeable people around you are laughing at you.

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Skeptics are very good at rewriting science to suit their own means. Unfortunately, their understanding of climate is often limited and whilst they may produce something that appears plausible to a lay person, as soon as someone in the know reads the report it is instantly ripped to shreds. Not that this tends to deter many skeptics. Such is the case with the excuse about the heat retentive capacity of the oceans.

In fact, this is one of the most pointless arguments that they skeptics could come up with, once again they're shooting themselves in the foot. If we assume that the notion is correct, then why is the heat emitted from the oceans warming the planet any more than it ever did? What new factor is causing excess heat to be retained? And why would there be a delay in heat exchange from oceans to air but not air to oceans, have the laws of heat transfer now been rewritten?

Did you watch The Great Global Warming Swindle? It was a very funny mockumentary (although I'm not sure if it was meant to be funny). They had a graph that depicted the data you mentioned - it showed how TSI and temperatures were linked but the graph conveniently stopped in 1980 - the point at which TSI dropped off and temperatures shot upwards. The story teller who wrote Swindle was called to account for why he had claimed the graph represented 'now', turns out he's living in a different time zone to the rest of us - apparently in his world 'now' is 1980. I always though the possibility of co-existing at two separate points in time was the work of fantasy writers. Oh hang on, we're taking about Swindle, I forgot, it is a work of fantasy.

Answer 2

i think of ways some human beings inspect that's that the solar is, for all intents and purposes, the only source of warmth that warms the planet and for this reason any version contained in the worldwide temperature must be brought about with the help of the solar. Stripped all the way down to that is fundamentals like this, evidently to make sense. this kind of simplification fails to take account of ways and why the solar retains Earth at a liveable temperature and overlooks the numerous different factors that are in contact. as quickly as you start up digging deeper it quickly will become obvious that it is not so ordinary. human beings like your self and others have executed the digging and could perceive the different factors and how we are able to effect our climate. If human beings prefer to have self assurance that's the solar they are unlikely to dig down, to realize this could unearth data that shatter their phantasm. in this comprehend that is much less complicated to stay ignorant quite than grow to be knowledgeable with the data, surprisingly if those data do not comply with a preconcieved concept. There are unquestionably some skeptics who're nicely conscious that the solar won't be able to be blamed for the present warming yet to admit such may be tantamount to conceding that human beings have a functionality to play as nicely. For some, this might by no skill do. to realize this might propose accepting being a factor of the reason and issue, it would additionally propose loss of face at having to do a 'U-turn'. needless to say, it may all basically be all the way down to moose burps, livestock, termites, Al Gore, soda pop, volcanoes or the rest that is composed of the ideas of the skeptics. My funds's on somebody blaming little eco-friendly adult adult males from Mars earlier the three hundred and sixty 5 days's out.

Answer 3

its symbolic
History is loaded with people confusing symbolism
and humanizing it
this is similar

the story of Horus and Osiris was the symbolic life cycle of the sun ,And Jesus is the same story ,renamed 6000 years later.

Over the centuries the religious masters have humanized the story until in the peoples minds symbolism became reality

So in Reality Jesus is the Sun ,or son of the Sun god reincarnated in itself .

To blame the Sun today for Global warming ,is no less than Blaming God ,

You search for scientific explanations for Jellonism.
and all the time it is a spiritual view

But there are some profound truths to Dr Jellos references to the Suns powers ,
A graph of Sun spot activity coincides ,with Terrance McKennes time wave ,which show the peaks of Novelty and Habit ,(peaks of Habit =heights of religious domination,Peaks of Novelty =renaissance periods)
and
which demonstrates that Wars relate to Sun spot activity .

The Sun has had a decisive influence on Humans overall aggressive behavior .

The time wave was based on the magnetic out put of the planet and the I ching(?) and the computer projection came to zero at
guess what

2012

Answer 4

Solar activity has been higher for the past 7 decades than it has been in the last 8000 years.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/sunspot_record_041027.html

I know you won't accept this explanation, but here is the most logical reason, since we know from the ice cores that temps are normally falling when CO2 levels are peaking:

http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate/Scientific%20work%20and%20publications/resolveuid/86c49eb9229b3a7478e8d12407643bed

If you read it carefully, you will find the answer to your question.

Here is the reply to Lockwood and Frohlich

http://www.spacecenter.dk/publications/scientific-report-series/Scient_No._3.pdf

Answer 5

well it shouldnt be its mean haha