History Wise... Concerns to Non-Catholic Christians.?

Question

Is it possible for you to mis-interpret?

If Yes, will you be concern if your church was founded from mis-interpretation?

See this link below. This is a reliable source.
http://www.livescience.com/history/071211-fundamental-birth.html

I appreciate for your kindess and respect.

@Cindy Thank you. God Bless you too. Thank you for the star

@oldguy63 if you say that if something is written and has been reliably reviewed could not make it true, then why would you say that reading alot of writings make you correct when you say its not true in the first place. It doesn't make sense.

@ which do you think are the true Christians?
God is with the true Church, that means it won't be destroyed. Which Church have lived for 2007 years? Only the Roman Catholic Church. If you say God won't let anyone destroy the true Christians and the Catholics have been persecuting the true christians, then why does the Catholic still not been destroyed? Because it is the the true Church and your dark ages is a mis-information.

@Fireball I think this is a mis-interpretation.
If you say there are only 2 sacraments.. I believe one is Baptism, the other would be the Holy Eucharist(Which happens in the Mass)?
Then you say Marriage and Reconcilliation are not sacraments?
I think you mean 2 commandments which are
Love God above all things,
and love your neighbor as you love yourself.

@Un-Cola was there really The Pilgrims group?
or did you mean pilgrim-a person who came from afar and visiting a place with religious significance? It is not a group but it is what a person is called when he visits.

@Bill Mac i am not denying that the Roman Catholic Church did make an error just as any group there is. But I believe that the Roman Catholic Church is infalliable in teaching in morals and faith because I believe that Jesus has given the power of the Holy Spirit to it.
Our relationship with God is not dynamic. If it were dynamic then it is changeable, it is then it is not or it is on then it is off. Our relationship with God is static it is marriage that no one can alter. God has given us set of Laws so that we won't go astray. And those laws are inculcated in doctrines and traditions by the Church so that it would be easy for us to maintain and remember.

@realchur... although you didn't post a source, i have managed to find a reference to what you said from an LSD site. I don't know if this is your source but it is somewhat similar. Basing from your chronically arrange text. I have found something that is inconsistent with the New Testament of the Bible. The number 1 in synopsis. You said these churches. In the New Testament in the Bible it said that Jesus renamed Simon to Peter and upon Peter Jesus will build His Church. The Bible states there is only one Church which is upon Peter and not upon each of the Apostles. And the following timelines in your text doesn't have historical documents and evidence to support it, we cannot make a reasonable argument from it.

@spike perhaps you should visit a Catholic cogregation to find it out. Or perhaps which Church have the largest Charity of all times from its service. The Catholic Church welcomes those who are poor and nothing to give unlike others which I have noticed convert those who are in the middle classes and up. I didn't mean all.

Answer 1

History wise, is it possible that the Roman Catholic Church could have been in error?

Christianity is not about living a religious life according to the doctirnes and traditions of a man influenced and fallible church. It is about living a Spiritual life in a dynamic relationship with our living God.

Who is your Lord?


Reply to comment:

The Holy Spirit and His power is evident in these other Christian groups as well. The RCC has been fallible in it's teaching of morals and faith, as evident by the division with the Eastern Orthodox Church and the causes of the protestant reformation.

Our relationship with God does change. His attributes and laws do not. When chosen, the living God comes to the point of our need and understanding, even when we do not understand. As we grow, the relationship deepens. His Spirit guides and teaches us, bringing new revelations. We become active "branches" for His love to flow out and through us. We become one with Him. It is dyanmic, constantly changing, and far from static. I don't know about your God, but mine is alive and very active in my life.

In regards to your link, it seems biased.
God gave us help for the interpretation... as quoted in source
In kindness and respect -
Abide in Him, not the church.

Answer 2

Of course it is possible to mis-interpret. Many people, then and now are not able to put the bible into historical context. Where do you think all the fringe groups came from. The Pilgrims were a fringe group.

Answer 3

I think the author is entitled to his personal opinion and can write what he likes in a book, but that certainly does not make it true. I have read much writings by Christians out of that period and I don't think there was any such a thing as a fear of personal interpretation, or the idea that the Bible's rules are extreme. Fundamentalism itself developed in the 1900's not the 13-1500's. I think hs facts are off and his asumptions are biased.

Answer 4

I do not see what that has to do with the true Christians who have lived throughout the ages since the church was started. The Word of God has always been preserved and God will not let anyone destroy it. During the dark ages Catholics persecuted the true Christians and many lost there lives for Jesus Christ. "For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven." Psalm 119:89

Answer 5

...as opposed to the 'correct' interpretation of the 'one true church' which slaughtered untold thousands, condoned torture, amassed vast fortunes in gold, art treasures, and real estate while the 'common people' that Christ entrusted to the care of His followers starved in the streets, and participated in byzantine political plots for and against various monarchs and despots throughout europe for centuries? heaven forbid...

Answer 6

I was saved and filled with the Holy Spirit in my room.I went to hundreds of churches and found one that let the Holy Spirit run the church.There was more healing,deliverance,then all the other churches put together.

Answer 7

NO cuz Jesus only commanded TWO sacraments..

Answer 8

Respectfully, the Catholic Doctrine cannot be a teacher of interpretation. The differences you look for are deeper than a single translation of the Bible in English.

Reform/Luther


Prior to Martin Luther and the 16th century there were many who came from the Catholic Church because of its corruptness, and tried to create a better Catholic Church.

Peter Waldo was condemned in 1179 for leaving the Catholic Church. For fear of his life he left the bastion of Cathari influence which had inspired him by preaching and example. He fled to the safety of the Alps where he lived out his days. There he joined the Valdois in Northern Italy.

In the 14th Century John Wycliffe went against the wishes of the Catholic Church and imitated the Lollards from Germany. They had inspired him with their preaching and compact translations of the Bible in everyday language which they carried with them. In time he produced his own copy of the Bible in English and sent out preachers in every direction.

John Hus emboldened by Wycliffe's example and also a witness to the Bohemian Cathari (Direct descendants of the Churches Paul started) who had enjoyed freedom in his land for over a millenium, also began to preach the Bible instead of Catholic Liturgy.

So what relationship did the Cathari/Good Men of the 1st Century origin have to the Reformation and Martin Luther?

Synopsis

1. Churches according to the New Testament model are started by the Apostles and their team members. These churches as a whole strictly followed the traditions of the Apostles in doctrine and practice. This happened in the 1st Century.

2. In the 3rd Century those who lapsed in their faith and worshiped the Emperor to escape persecution, then wanted back into their local churches respectively, once persecution had ended. Those churches who accepted them became the Lapsi Churches. Emperor Constantine organized them under his leadership in 325 A.D. to create the Catholic Church. At this point there are two groups of churches. The 1st Century Cathari, and the 3rd Century Lapsi.

3. From 1179 A.D. and onward the Lapsi/Catholic Reformers left the Catholic Church and joined with the ancient Cathari/Good Men churches. Many churches joined forces with Peter Waldo, yet at the same time many ancient Cathari/Good Men rejected such a move. The most famous Catholic Reformer in time became Martin Luther.



At the point where he makes his mark in Church History there are three pre-existing groups of churches:

= the 1st century Cathari/Pure

= the 3rd century Lapsi/Catholic (of which Martin Luther was a part in 1517)

= the 12th century mixture of the two Reformers/Protestants (Which joined Him for protection from persecution in 1525). Martin Luther joined the 3rd group to himself, gave them political power, and made them famous.



In 1517 - he was already frustrated with the Catholic Church. It was in this year that he mailed a letter of the 95 thesis to the man in charge of collecting Papal Indulgences. He became a seeker, and was influenced and had personal contact with the Cathari churches in his area.



In 1525, he made a pact with Peter Waldo's 350 year old half Lapsi/half Cathari churches. In promise for protection from persecution, they completely refomed and joined him accepting his watered down version of Catholicism in place of Peter Waldo's which offered no protection. This is the primary source of his immediate and large grass-roots power base in Germany.



Almost immediately he began persecution the ancient Cathari who refused to submit to him. John Calvin in Switzerland would follow his example. So what relation did our spiritual ancestors have with the reformers? They kept their distance from them. They refused to compromise with them. They were persecuted for their stand for doctrinal purity and practice by the Reformers. So it is an absurd claim that we came from them or were part of them. The immediate persecution against us once Peter Waldo's brand of Waldensians joined Martin Luther is another among many proofs that we were a separate group of churches.


Finally in 1546 towards the end of his life when he was very secure in his beliefs, he nailed the 95 Thesis against indulgences on a Catholic Church and started what the Catholics officially call, "The Protestant Reformation".

The Catholic Version of History is the most accepted because they are the government churches, they fight the wars, and the victor writes history.


To this day the Catholic Church plays on all the confusion and calls our Good Men of Old nothing but Protestants. However, our men never protested or joined anything. Our churches continue according to the New Testament model, strictly following the traditions of the Apostles in doctrine and practice which were started in the 1st Century. By the mercy of God, He has preserved His Bride in a pure form since she began her preparations nearly 2,000 years ago