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2007-12-11 06:36:42 · 9 answers · asked by cristoiglesia 7 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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Well Jesus spoke of the trinity when he gave us the great commission at the end of the gospel of Matthew "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always even to the end of the age" Jesus also said that "I and the Father am one" and how can Jesus be with us even to the end of the age......through his Holy spirit that is spoken of throughout the bible..........

and in romans 9 "But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you, Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ [notice spirit of God and Spirit of Christ spoken in same paragraph with equal importance], he is not His. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you."

and don't forget that Jesus was the fulfilled WORD of God and the beginning of John says " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. There was a man sent from God whose name was John. This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light". So you see John the baptist was to bear witness to Jesus and Jesus was the Light and the Light was God.

1corinthians 12:4"There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works ALL IN ALL"

2corinthians 13:14 "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all"

Ephesians 4:4-6 "There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all"

1peter 1 "To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ."

Jude 20 "But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life"

Matthew 3:16-7 "When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God decending like a dove and alighting upon Him. And suddenly a voice came from heaven saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased"

there's one more but I'll have to find it and get back to you but scripture seems to be quite clear about who Jesus was and that there is a triune Godhead


found it

1John 5:7 "For there are three that bear witness in heaven :the Father, The Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one"

so how could the beloved of Christ....the apostle John who wrote the gospel, this letter, and the book of revelations really get it wrong when he said that the Father, the Word, and the Holy spirit are one.

2007-12-11 17:23:40 · answer #1 · answered by bastian915 6 · 1 1

NONE
The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.

2007-12-11 07:09:11 · answer #2 · answered by sarinah 4 · 2 3

I can give you one right off the top of my head.
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one.

2007-12-11 09:53:01 · answer #3 · answered by teddy bear 2 · 2 1

Only those that are misquoted and taken out of context.

The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.

The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.

In The Encyclopedia Americana we read: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.

1st century Christians did not believe Jesus was God, nor equal to God.

Chruch tradition strayed from the truth to teach Plato's philosophy.

Thus, in Alexandria, Egypt, churchmen of the late third and early fourth centuries, such as Athanasius, reflected this influence as they formulated ideas that led to the Trinity. Their own influence spread, so that Morenz considers "Alexandrian theology as the intermediary between the Egyptian religious heritage and Christianity."

In the preface to Edward Gibbon's History of Christianity, we read: "If Paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism. The pure Deism of the first Christians . . . was changed, by the Church of Rome, into the incomprehensible dogma of the trinity. Many of the pagan tenets, invented by the Egyptians and idealized by Plato, were retained as being worthy of belief."

The Paganism in Our Christianity declares: "The origin of the [Trinity] is entirely pagan."


The French Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel (New Universal Dictionary) says of Plato's influence: "The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher's conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions."

The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge shows the influence of this Greek philosophy: "The doctrines of the Logos and the Trinity received their shape from Greek Fathers, who . . . were much influenced, directly or indirectly, by the Platonic philosophy . . . That errors and corruptions crept into the Church from this source can not be denied."

The Church of the First Three Centuries says: "The doctrine of the Trinity was of gradual and comparatively late formation; . . . it had its origin in a source entirely foreign from that of the Jewish and Christian Scriptures; . . . it grew up, and was ingrafted on Christianity, through the hands of the Platonizing Fathers."

By the end of the third century C.E., "Christianity" and the new Platonic philosophies became inseparably united. As Adolf Harnack states in Outlines of the History of Dogma, church doctrine became "firmly rooted in the soil of Hellenism [pagan Greek thought]. Thereby it became a mystery to the great majority of Christians."

The church claimed that its new doctrines were based on the Bible. But Harnack says: "In reality it legitimized in its midst the Hellenic speculation, the superstitious views and customs of pagan mystery-worship."

In the book A Statement of Reasons, Andrews Norton says of the Trinity: "We can trace the history of this doctrine, and discover its source, not in the Christian revelation, but in the Platonic philosophy . . . The Trinity is not a doctrine of Christ and his Apostles, but a fiction of the school of the later Platonists."

(Romans 15:3-6) . . .” 4 For all the things that were written aforetime were written for our instruction, that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope. 5 Now may the God who supplies endurance and comfort grant YOU to have among yourselves the same mental attitude that Christ Jesus had, 6 that with one accord YOU may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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2007-12-11 09:02:16 · answer #4 · answered by TeeM 7 · 2 2

None dear.
The trinity concept was invented as a marketing tool during the council of Nicea during the 4th century AD. The idea was to come up with something so complex that no one would really understand it in order to impress the pagans and get them to convert.

2007-12-11 06:40:38 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 4 6

Zero. Neither the word 'trinity' or the concept appears in the bible - at all. Jesus never claimed to be equal to his father, in fact he shrunk back when people tried to worship him. And he always pointed to his father as being superior to him.

2007-12-11 06:55:50 · answer #6 · answered by Julie S 1 · 1 5

the trinity was originally proposed as the father son and holy spirit being equal to each other......Jesus never said this....however, they do all exist in a special relationship......

i studied this out and wrote a bible study on it... you are welcome to it , if you are interested

2007-12-11 06:47:44 · answer #7 · answered by Angel wings 4 · 1 3

There are none. 1st John 5:7 was a latter addition trying to make a case for the Trinity heresy.

2007-12-11 06:40:26 · answer #8 · answered by Shawn B 7 · 4 7

None.

2007-12-12 04:17:33 · answer #9 · answered by YXM84 5 · 0 1

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