Jehovah's Witnesses, can you provide me all scriptural support that God is not the human Jesus?

Question

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES' ANSWERS ONLY PLEASE.

Provide all scriptures you support as proof that God did not empty a part of himself to be born as a seperate human to save his own creation.

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Answer 1

This question seems to ignore the overwhelming avalanche of evidence that Jesus (Christ the Son) is a distinct person from Almighty Jehovah (God the Father).

Ironically, the shaky foundations of trinitarianism rest on dubious misapplications of perhaps ten bible verses. By contrast, entire passages and important bible concepts literally require Jesus the Son to be a separate person from God the Father. Who created Jesus? To whom did Jesus pray? Who resurrected Jesus? At whose right hand does Jesus sit?


Jehovah's Witnesses believe that their worship is a restoration of biblical Christianity, as practiced by the apostles and first century Christians. They recognize Christ himself (and the apostles to a much lesser extent) as the "foundation" of true Christian worship. Of course, the bible teaches that God Himself is the "builder".

(Isaiah 28:16) Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: “Here I am laying as a foundation in Zion a stone, a tried stone, the precious corner of a sure foundation.

(Acts 4:10-11) Jesus Christ the Nazarene... This is ‘the stone that was treated by you builders as of no account that has become the head of the corner.’

(Revelation 21:14) The wall of the city also had twelve foundation stones, and on them the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

(Hebrews 11:10) the city having real foundations, the builder and maker of which city is God.


Really, it is the bible rather than any human tradition, catechism, or post-biblical writing which can reveal the truth about Jesus Christ.

Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians; they teach that Christ was and is divine and of the same nature as God. What does the bible teach about Jesus?

Jehovah's Witnesses understand the bible to teach that no salvation occurs without Christ, that accepting Christ's sacrifice is a requirement for true worship, that every prayer must acknowledge Christ, that Christ is the King of God's Kingdom, that Christ is the head of the Christian congregation, that Christ is immortal and above every creature, even that Christ was the 'master worker' in creating the universe!

Jehovah's Witnesses love and respect and honor Christ. However, Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the Scriptures quite plainly demonstrate that Jesus and the Almighty are separate distinct persons, and the Almighty created Jesus as His firstborn son.

(Colossians 1:15) the firstborn of all creation

(Mark 10:18) Jesus said to him: 'Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.

(Revelation 3:14) the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God

(Philippians 2:5-6) Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God

(John 8:42) Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth

(John 12:49) I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak

(John 14:28) I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am

(1 Corinthians 15:28) But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him

(Matthew 20:23) this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father

(1 Corinthians 11:3) I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; ...in turn the head of the Christ is God

(John 20:17) I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.

(Deuteronomy 6:4) Jehovah our God is one Jehovah

(1 Corinthians 8:4-6) There is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords," there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him


Thanks again for an opportunity to share what the bible actually says about the distinct persons of Jesus Christ the Son and Jehovah God the Father!

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Answer 2

I'm not JW, but I believe a lot the same way that they do about Christ and God, so I'll give it a shot.

Try Matt. 3:17- Why would God's voice be heard if Christ is part of God?

Acts 7:55-56- Christ standing on the right hand of God. If they were the same, Stephen would have only seen one being.

Mark 15:34- Why would God need to cry out to himself? Or a better question: Why would God need to abandon Himself at a time of great suffering?

John 5:19- Talks about Christ learning what the Father knows. Wouldn't He already know it if they were the same?

John 8:28,54- The same as above on 28. He wouldn't need to honor God if He was God.

Matt 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Again, why would He need to pray to God if He were God? Also, wouldn't His will be not His own if He were God?

There are many others, but I will leave it at that.

Answer 3

Many Trinitarians have difficulty with holistic scriptural thinking, for example:

by focusing on one or two scriptures (or even "ten") to "prove" that Jesus is Almighty God Jehovah but ignoring the other scriptures that show Jesus is subordinate even after his resurrection.

Many of Jesus' disciples left off following him because they found his speech shocking. He spoke of his flesh and blood in a symbolic way but they had difficulty with symbolic language. Linguistic structures that we take for granted today might have been uncommon back in those days. Yet, as he was a perfect teacher who taught at the right time, there must have been the possibility that they were capable of understanding that kind of symbolic language.

It's not wrong for even imperfect humans to have the title of "god" or "God" (as in the case of Moses-Exodus 7.) So, as a perfect human sent to earth by Jehovah, Jesus has a greater right to be called "God" or even "Mighty God" (Isaiah 9.)

Answer 4

ALL Scriptural support??? That would be far too much to include, so here are just a couple of passages;

John 1:18, KJV, says: "No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." (See also Exodus 33:20 &1 John 4:12)
Many people saw Jesus, yet no harm befell them.

John 17:3, Jesus made a clear differentiation between himself and God: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, AND Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."

Also, Jesus himself has a God; God cannot have a God. We read in Revelation 3:12 - "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."
Here Jesus in heaven refers to "my God" 4 times.

All of the above were quoted from the King James Bible.

Answer 5

Well, what you say have no sense, because all the creation was made by God, then Jesus as one of that creations (the first and unique), necessarily is a part of God.

The difference is that is a separate being, his beloved son, and as that, this powerful spirit was transfered to born like a human, after his sacrifice, he recover his spiritual form to be again the archangel that he was... in divine form but giving no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. . . (Philippians 2:6)

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Answer 6

and a voice came from heaven saying "This is my Son, the beloved"

If we believe anything else we are calling God a liar.

2 Cor 4:4, if we believe Jesus is more than an image, we are being blinded by Satan.

2 Cor 4:4, if we believe Jesus is more than an image, we are an unbeliever.

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Answer 7

Well I'm not a Jehovah's witness but I'll answer the question only because you said not to.

Jesus and god are the same spirit except when it comes to actually being in human form. Anyone that takes a second to read the bible would know that.

Answer 8

Mat 10:40 "He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me."

God did not send himself, rather God sent his son. The words Mal'ak in Hebrew and Aggelos in Greek is a person charged with representing at some distance the interests of God’s principals to others.

i.e Gal 4:14 Paul, Angels and Christ.

Answer 9

I'd answer but it is not the answer that the asker is interested in.

Answer 10

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