The last question of the day: Atheist will you execpt my logical reasoning for believing in God?

Question

1. I believe in God because when you think about the fact that we still follow our inate sense of morals even though we have the freedom of free will.
2.Free will its self, the ability to make choices that no other animal has been blessed or evolved to this level.
3. Science, yes I am not an uneducated boob, I really believe that the creation of such laws, an earth, such a thing that hangs in such a delicate balance leads me to believe its more than luck.
4. Evolution, omg I don't believe in creationsim am I starting to shatter your sterotypes? Yes the evidence seems to show that each evolutionary step is carefully selected by nature and once agian it leads me to believe its more than luck.
Those are a few of my reasons tell me what you want about it and present your arguments; I'd like to hear them.

Answer 1

you're very open minded. but you act like atheists react to you like you are a closed minded person. obviously, you are not. the problem is, there are some fundamentalists who are in fact very closed minded. bravo to you for not being one of them. but you're not the problem. nothing you said is wrong, and nothing you said is without merit. but to an atheist, you are not someone to argue with, you are someone to embrace

the best of this world is to get rid of the extremes: the rabid fundamentalist, and the rabid intolerant atheist. both extremes are bad. the moderate christian, you, are a good person. and a humanistic atheist, me, is a good person. and together, us moderates will survive the loud, ignroant extremes, of either religion or atheism, that are the real wrong people

Answer 2

1. Following our morals knowing that if we just did whatever we wanted would lead to a collapse of society shows that we don't need a god setting down rules or sitting above us, we just need common sense.

2. Other animals have some level of free will. You can't force a cat to do anything, and dogs won't always follow commands. We're more evolved than they are, however, so our ability to make choices is higher along with our intellect.

3. Considering the size of the universe, luck would be if there were no planets with intelligent life, or if all planets had intelligent life. Our being here is no proof whatsoever of a higher being.

4. Evolution doesn't offer any proof or even evidence of a higher being, it simply offers proof that adaptation and natural selection work.

Sorry, but your logical reasoning doesn't lead to god, if you really look at it logically.

Answer 3

First of all, it's ACCEPT. Second, you said you had logical reasoning to share. I see nothing remotely resembling anything close to logic, unless you count the circular kind.
1. We LEARN moral and almost every other type of behavior from our environment, we aren't born with it.
2. I have free will without believing in imaginary gods, who would take it from me and make me a slave if they were real.
3. You believe it's more than luck? Well, that explains it. I'm totally convinced now that god is real based on that statement alone. (sarcasm) The fact that we don't know how everything works does not make every default answer "god".
4. If you don't believe in creationism, and you do believe in the christian god, then you betray your god AND reason, equally, because it says in your book that your imaginary god created everything. (Which is completely unreasonable.)
You're not very good at this, are you?
Go to school for a few more years, and hopefully learn how ridiculous these beliefs are.
Please don't use the word "logical" until you have a better understanding of its meaning, and a better grip on reality.
Sorry to be mean, kid, but you've been had. You have been lied to your entire life. It's not your fault, but it is up to you to learn about what's real and what's not.
Stop being a victim of your environment and start thinking for yourself instead of believing what delusional people have told you. The truth is out there if you want it, but it's not what these idiots have told you it is, and they don't want you to find out.

THE MATRIX HAS YOU...

Answer 4

1. The existence of a conscience illustrates only an innate understanding of fairness, a construct of millenia of social interaction and community. It proves only the existence of a conscience, not a God.
2. We are, arguably, more intelligent than other animals, I assume. But that does not mean that we make choices and they do not. They have as much "free will" as we do (to be honest, free will doesn't prove a God though...the absence of it would, but would also contradict Church doctrine).
3. The laws of nature. On a better track (their existence is why some people actually take the position that God and nature itself are one)
4. I have no stereotypes about Christianity and Creationism, because I like to pretend that Creationism doesn't exist because of the horrible implications. I am afraid that evolution, in its most basic form, is just an exercise in probability....so it is actually just luck. But, there is room for some sort of external force to help it occur as effectively as it has...

Answer 5

From the Merriam-Webster dictionary:

Logic: The study of the principles of reasoning, especially of the structure of propositions as distinguished from their content and of method and validity in deductive reasoning.

1) Many of us simply have no desire to perpetrate bad things on other people. Just because we don't believe doesn't make us immoral or corrupt. We tend to be people who either A) leave each other alone or B) help one another and suddenly we'd be the pinnacle of society if only we worshipped your sky daddy.
2) Every single animal has the ability to make choices. Most choices (animal or human) are simply acting upon the needs or wants that we have. I don't know where you came up with this one, but most animals don't follow commands like automatons. Watch a housecat for about 15 minutes if you need clarification.
3) Science and the laws thereof balance themselves in a way that does not need support. If something doesn't work right, it breaks. If it works right, balance prevails. On a cosmic scale, if a gravity point is strong enough to collect elements, a rock is made. If that rock is the appropriate distance from the sun that everything doesn't burn off or freeze and grows primordial goo that sustains itself, life forms. If these are not true, life does not form. Period. You act like it's impossible that life is elsewhere?
4) If an animal evolves that is incapable of supporting itself, it dies. Combine that with natural selection (that animals tend to breed with the most desirable set of traits, and that weaker traits die off.) That is not luck, that is simply how evolution maintains itself.

You seem to give more reasons for NOT believing in God than you do for being a believer. Believe if you want to, I'm not going to bash you for it, but at least try to make a little sense if you do.

Answer 6

Really, your last question? Are you sure???
OMG ( just kidding).
1. No such thing as free will!
2.Animals do not have the where with all to function on our level of sentience. Maybe in the distant future, they will.
3.Science has the answers to everything, through evolution, and natural selection. Luck has nothing to do with it. Genetics does.
4 Stop following blindly, through the dark alleyways of religion.

Answer 7

1) If I didn't follow the moral code my parents taught me, then I would have been spanked, brought to the one that I did wrong to and forced to tell them what I did wrong when younger. Now if I don't follow the moral code that they taught me I could end up in prison or jail.
2) A wild animal has free will also, do they go after this animal or that one, do they trust this human or not?
3) That's great that your educated, but that still doesn't explain all that this world has to offer. Neither does the belief in god.
4)I don't believe in creationalism any more than I believe in evolution. OMG, did I shatter your stereotype?

Answer 8

The fact that life exists and is complex is not a logical argument for the existence of gods.

As far as morals go, people will always do what they consider to be in their best interest at the time. Usually that involves acting in a moral fashion and obeying rules and laws. That doesn't require a god.

All animals have free will. The fact that it exists is no proof that any god gave it to them.

The last two have nothing at all to do with the existence of gods. Natural processes did not have to be created by anything.

Answer 9

My logic:
1.)Ancient Egyptians, Aztecs/Mayans, the Norse-they all had a sense of morals b/c of society and it was based on what works to keep a society in operation. They had different morals than we do but a lot of Xian morals are the same as Greek societ.
2.)If there were a deity that created us and gave us 'free will'; punishing us for our choice (when this deity knew what it would be-it is all-knowing, correct?) contradicts our interpretation of loving and/or just.
3.) I am impressed myself that the earth is based on such high odds, but there are plenty of natural disasters that would not exist if there were any deity capable of controlling this world. (Tornadoes, volcanoes, hurricanes, tsunami's, Global Warming and/or cooling, extinction, disease, etc)
4.)No, you did not shatter my 'stereotypes'. I have met enough Xians to know their beliefs are varied.
Deformation, stillbirths, miscarriages, disease, extinction, survival dependent on different natural states-that does not exactly scream 'Intelligent Design'.
I also find it absurd to think an individual male is responsible for creating life when there are so many VARIED aspects (not individual) and reproducing humans is dependent on sex, and a large part is dependent on a female.

Answer 10

1. Genetics
2. So animals have to follow a pattern? Besides that free will fails whenever the Abrahamic god is involved.
3. Why? There is no proof towards your god and there is proof that it could have happened the evolutionary way.
4. Then what is the other option? ID has already been proven false.

Answer 11

Ooh, yes my stereotypes have been totally shattered! How could I possibly think my innate sense of right-&-wrong came from my own head! How silly of me!
1. What you do with your free will is your own business.
2. Just you wait & see what nature has in store for all.
3. We are just a lucky accident.
4.Omg, why do you have the need to believe in something you couldn't possibly understand?! If it's so omniscient & ineffable then why would it care what you think about it?!