If he's just going to shun then and be discriminatory to them within the Bible?
It's like having black hair - you're born with it and even if you dye it another colour, the original hair colour grows through eventually...
Would God also hate people who couldn't change an aspect of their individuality?
Homosexuality is not a choice.
It's largely due to genetics and/or environmental factors such as childhood experiences (though this has been observed, environmental factors cannot be a proven cause).
So why would God create something he would hate (the act, anyway)?
I can assume only ONE of three things from this, either:
- God is arrogant, tyrancial and discriminatory
- The Bible is not the true words of God
- God does not exist and is just made up
And don't tell me the act is a choice either. From what I've heard they are just like ourselves - and I think it's really disrespectful to think they have to endure celibacy when all the rest of us have freedom and choice.
2007-12-10
09:14:57
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"Because of Adam and Eve's disobedience, we all inherited the sin nature. We are all sinners. Any of us can be homosexuals, murders, fornicators, thieves, adulterers, gossipers, addicts, gluttons or liars. Probably even more than one of those. We all posses this sin nature, which causes us all to be born separated from God and do the things that He has told us not to do for our own good."
You realise that homosexuality is one of the only genetic sins you listed?
So we apparently inherited homosexuality from Adam and Eve then?
How is that fair?
2007-12-10
09:27:06 ·
update #1
To all those people who said homosexuality is a choice - you're really mistaken.
If homosexuality was a choice, why do people wish they were straight?
Why would someone openly want to be discriminated against?
It just doesn't work that way.
And don't entertain the idea that they are delusional and have been seduced by sin and the work of Satan. That makes no sense.
There's also scientific evidence to prove it is genetic.
2007-12-10
09:29:46 ·
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God didn't create sin. People are very creative.
Because of Adam and Eve's disobedience, we all inherited the sin nature. We are all sinners. Any of us can be homosexuals, murders, fornicators, thieves, adulterers, gossipers, addicts, gluttons or liars. Probably even more than one of those. We all posses this sin nature, which causes us all to be born separated from God and do the things that He has told us not to do for our own good.
Jesus came to the earth for the purpose of becoming the blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of our sins. Those of us who will choose Him as our Lord and Savior and repent (which means to turn away from sin), will be given the free gift of forgiveness and eternal life with God. When we choose Jesus, God declares us blameless. This is called justification (just as if I’d never sinned) .
God doesn't want anyone to be lost. He loves us so much even though we are born sinners. He has provided Jesus’ sacrifice for us while we are still sinners.
Not choosing Jesus is the only way that we remain separated from God. After choosing Jesus as our Lord and Savior, It is then, our job to stay filled with the Holy Spirit that He has given to Christians (those who have accepted Jesus) for the help we need to obey Him.
God sanctifies us which means He makes us holy. Sanctification is living every day in light of who we are in Christ. It is practiced purity which is a challenge, especially in the culture in which we live.
Prayer, submitting and obedience is what God has ask us to do for our benefit.
Turning our backs on sin and coming to Jesus for love, leadership and forgiveness is the way to have a better life here, a renewed relationship with God and the promise of Heaven. The only way.
2007-12-10 09:24:19
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answered by 4HIM- Christians love 7
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Ah, that's an interesting question!
Unless you go with the old argument that homosexuality is a vice, not created by God, then I'm flummoxed.
Well questioned, my philosophical friend.
In your question, you also mentioned three points you think God is. What if he just loves everybody, as most religions state?
You also said the Chrisitan God comments on homosexuality in the BIBLE. You're forgetting the many other religious books. I think it probably says the same thing in the Torah, it being the same as the Old Testament and all. It the Qur'an it says something along the same lines, but not very vicious, just something like 'it's forbidden'.
Homosexuality IS a choice. You're not born with little cells inside you stamped with 'Gay'. You said as well childhood experiences, that could be being horribly molested or something along those lines. That's not too much of a choice. So there it goes out of the window.
God isn't tyrannical and discriminatory...he created all the races, didn't he?
So as I'm going to be pondering your question for a few days, I'm going to sign off now.
Buh-bye.
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NOTE:
Still with the Bible references! You're kind of ignoring the other religions here.
NUTHER NOTE:
*sigh*.
Attacking God isn't going to do you much good. The theists in this question are getting more than a little irked. Mostly the Chrisitans (that's not me), because you keep spouting off Biblical references.
2007-12-10 09:17:22
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answered by ? 5
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I really struggled here. Not with an answer, but with electing to provide you with a response. You have come to so many conclusions on your own, that it sounds like any answer that doesn't fit your paradigm will be stamped "Invalid."
Nonetheless, consider your thought process and the fallacies I'm about to demonstrate therein...
Based on your words, I believe you think homosexuality goes against God's design for us. Let's start with this:
If he doesn't exist, nothing else you wrote about matters. Simply do whatever it is that you have an impulse to do with no consequence. In fact , everybody do just that.
On the other hand, let's say He does exist. Let's further say He' s the god as revealed in the Holy Bible. And that the Bible is His Word. Based on that alone, if the previous is held to be true, then that eliminates your first option: God is not arrogant, not tyranical. But I will grant you discriminatory, with regard to what behavior He finds acceptable. (Remember, we are not talking about something that is morally neutral like color, ethnicity, or birth defect....we are talking about a behavior.)
Next, if, by your logic, God created us; and created homosexuality, then He has created something (homosexuality) that goes directly against His will . This is a suicidal paradox (meaning the conclusion He did both is not an option.) It's like asking someone to draw a square circle. It cannot be done because the very nature of such a thing does not exist. (This is the same premise for the "Why did God create evil" question.)
Therefore, logically, God not only didn't create homosexuality, He can't. His nature is the very definition of righteousness (as defined Scripturally.) Your question assumes He did. Which assumes an impossible premise.
Next, do you believe man is a machine or a free moral agent?
If he is a machine, when he malfunctions, he can be removed from the society, fixed, and put back in place to be a productive citizen.
I, for one, believe man to be a free moral agent. As such, we can choose to follow certain impulses, proclivities, and curiosities, whether or not they are deemed right or wrong by God. This freedom is a demonstration of God's enduring love. To have created "machines" that serve Him mechanically and without question would not have been a demonstration of love, but an exercise in mechanical dynamics. (Again, this all assumes God is real, and the god that is real is the very One as revealed in the Bible.)
Now, certain behaviors have certain consequences. That is natural law. Does an impulse mean that, regardless of what it may be, it is okay to follow through on because it is "natural?" Absolutely not. It is the very suppresion of certain natural impulses (and laws punishing such) that make civilization possible. Consider the "I was born that way, it's only natural argument" often used by homosexuals. If we say "Alright, it's natural...so it's OK," Then for a homosexual couple to raise children should not be allowed, by that VERY SAME logic, since that would NOT be natural.)
Homosexuality is the follow-through on an initial impulse, proclivity or tendency. I may have a sexual attraction to someone 1/3 my age, but that does not deem it acceptable or right. I do (and this is the critical aspect) have a choice to follow through and pursue the impulse, or I can elect not to. It is use of better judgement with regard to my own behavior that I elect not to pursue that impulse. Now, are homosexuals born that way? You seem to think so. I (and this is just one person talking here) think is a matter of confusion and myriad other factors at an early age that influence and push one to practice a homosexual lifestyle....or walk into a school with a gun, or beat their spouse, or rob a bank. But ultimately, regardless of my childhood, I am eventually responsibile for my own decisions once I am of age. If a homosexual is truly born a homosexual with no option and no freedom to choose, then why do we lock criminals up? The same argument could be used for ANY behavior, criminal or otherwise. What if a person claims to born a pedophile and should not be held accountable for his/her actions? Does that argument have credibility? Of course not.
In summation,
IF god is real, and IF the Bible is His True Word, and IF He views homosexuality as an abomination, THEN He would not install something in one's genetic code that they could not escape...that would damn them. We may have an impulse toward something unclean (be it gossip, adultery, theft, homosexuality, or otherwise), but we are not (and never were) genetically programmed to do so. We are free moral agents with the capacity to make decisions. But we must also, eventually, acknowledge the consequences.
2007-12-10 10:46:01
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answered by cmnsns 2
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You said it yourself the Bible does not contain the true words of God. The Bible, as well as other holy books, contain suggestions that were relevant at the time. For example "don't eat Pork" at one point their were deadly bacterium inside the meat therefore pork was dangerous and considered sinful. Homosexuality may have been considered (by man I assure you) an abomination because it is bad for reproduction of this species. As that is no longer a problem all these statements are now doing are either keeping some religious homosexuals unsatisfied and in the closet, or making them feel guilty.
2007-12-10 09:25:20
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answered by Jen L 3
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God didn't create homosexuality. He created the first man and woman to multiply and repopulate the earth.
It was "choice" outslde His instructions AFTER Adam's teasonous actions turned his dominion and authority over to the devil and the world was then in chaos and under the authority of the fallen angel.., who had other ideas from God.
Not God's creation. You can stick peas up your nose, but that's not God's intention for peas or noses. After you alter the origin and intent for actions, you can't blame God for the consequences.., or not reasonably. DNA and genetic code is altered by our determination to "have it our own way". Since you discuss "proven cause", you already know it isn't CAUSED by original creation. Case closed.
2007-12-10 09:30:01
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answered by Anonymous
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It is probably a curse passed from generation to generation of perverted sexual behavior, but homosexuals can choose to abstain from sex with the same sex.
Proverbs 26:2
As the bird by wandering,
as the swallow by flying,
so the curse causeless
shall not come.
For every curse passed down from one generation to another there is a cause. A curse without a cause (sin) does not come upon a person.
2007-12-10 09:24:34
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answered by Jeancommunicates 7
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As with other diverse innate traits I suspect it was evolution: ameliorating reproductively costly competition among closely related males for female mates can confer an evolutionary advantage amongst social hunters such as the ancestors of humans. Such competition is frequently lethal (see also Genesis 4:8), and of no reproductive benefit.
Birth order studies (which demonstrate that younger brothers are significantly more likely to be gay than their older brothers) give us some hints as to the biological mechanisms by which sexual orientation might be laid down. There is a modest genetic correlation, too.
There is NO credible evidence that childhood experience has any effect on innate sexual orientation, although it does affect other aspects of social adjustment. Sexual orientation does, however, affect childhood experience, particularly for gay kids growing up in a homophobic environment.
There is also NO credible evidence that people can choose to change their innate orientation, although they can of course choose how to act on it.
There is NO coherent moral argument that I'm aware of that sexual orientation is other than morally neutral.
2007-12-10 09:19:30
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answered by Anonymous
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Why you don't say that God created criminals, thieves, rapists, people with physical defects, storms, hurricanes earthquakes, tsunamis, etc, etc ?
Right, blame God for everything. Communists have been doing that for centuries. You are not original
You might also move to Cuba and see what the comunists say about the homos. Try to blame them and you will see what happens to you
2007-12-10 09:22:39
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answered by Der Schreckliche 4
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there is NO scientific proof that homosexuality is genetic.
until then, it's a learned choice.
God wouldn't create something and call it a perversion. when God created the heavens and the earth, the animals and even Adam and Eve...He said "it was good". in the old and new testament God said the penalty for homosexuality (all sin for that matter) is death.
2007-12-10 09:20:36
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answered by Ms. Lady 7
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nature creates homosexuality since attraction is natural
it is not learned
natural instict is the factor
of course most all natural instict traits are considered sins
2007-12-10 09:31:26
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answered by slopoke6968 7
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