Fundimental christians: proof for the bible if you please? (all welcome)?

Question

do you have geographical evidence for the flood? do you have dating evidence for the socalled "creation" of man? and why is there no record of christs trial?


the bible does not count as proof - it cant be true, because it says its true.

so, how exactly are we Atheists proof of god?

silly child

mike: all thats proof of is gravity and orbit.

numnuts.

marberry; so what, a giant arc, thats would have been..... at least ten times the size of the titanic carried these animals right?

so wheres this boat then?

and yes, im 15. you people havent been keeping record of me on this site have you?

this question proves two things:

fundies really are stupid hicks and they cannot handle a ribbing,

Answer 1

Let's see what they make up this time.

They'll attack for sure.

"look around, how can you not see the beauty?"

"you are blind, that's proof"

Answer 2

There is no proof one way or the other. I believe there was a man called Jesus of Nazareth (who's parents (at least officially) where Mary and Joseph), I also believe he was some kind of prophet but this is no proof that he was "the son of god". It's a fact that there has been any number of floods, one catastrophic one I understand was when the Atlantic Ocean burst through to form the Mediterranean Sea. I don't know when this happened but I would imagine that a lot of boats and stuff would have been thrown up all sorts of mountains if there were any around when it happened.

I'm not sure what Atti_cat is on about but she's got it wrong about people thinking the earth was flat. I think if she were to do some research, she would find very little evidence of people ever thinking that way.
As for the evidence proving the existence of different notaries mentioned in the bible, I have no problem with that, the bible is probably the best history book there is and it should not be treated as anything else.

By the way, the magnetic field is actually in the process of reversing so there are bound to be some noticeable fluctuations.

Answer 3

Many people claim that science disproves the Bible’s account of creation. But the real contradiction is between science and, not the Bible, but the opinions of so-called Christian Fundamentalists. Some of these groups falsely assert that according to the Bible, all physical creation was produced in six 24-hour days some 10,000 years ago.

The Bible, however, does not support such a conclusion. If it did, then many scientific discoveries over the past hundred years would indeed discredit the Bible. A careful study of the Bible text reveals no conflict with established scientific facts. For that reason, Jehovah’s Witnesses disagree with “Christian” Fundamentalists and many creationists. The following shows what the Bible really teaches.

When Was “the Beginning”?
The Genesis account opens with the simple, powerful statement: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (Genesis 1:1) Bible scholars agree that this verse describes an action separate from the creative days recounted from verse 3 onward. The implication is profound. According to the Bible’s opening statement, the universe, including our planet Earth, was in existence for an indefinite time before the creative days began.

Geologists estimate that the earth is approximately 4 billion years old, and astronomers calculate that the universe may be as much as 15 billion years old. Do these findings—or their potential future refinements—contradict Genesis 1:1? No. The Bible does not specify the actual age of “the heavens and the earth.” Science does not disprove the Biblical text.

The historical accuracy of the Bible was once widely doubted. Critics, for example, questioned the existence of such Bible characters as King Sargon of Assyria, Belshazzar of Babylon, and the Roman governor Pontius Pilate. But recent discoveries have verified one Bible account after another. Thus historian Moshe Pearlman wrote: "Suddenly, sceptics who had doubted the authenticity even of the historical parts of the Old Testament began to revise their views."

If we are to trust the Bible, it must also be accurate in matters of science. Is it? Not long ago scientists, in contradiction of the Bible, asserted that the universe had no beginning. However, astronomer Robert Jastrow recently pointed to newer information that refutes this, explaining: "Now we see how the astronomical evidence leads to a biblical view of the origin of the world. The details differ, but the essential elements in the astronomical and biblical accounts of Genesis are the same."—Genesis 1:1.

Men have also changed their views relative to the shape of the earth. "Voyages of discovery," explains The World Book Encyclopedia, "showed that the world was round, not flat as most people had believed." But the Bible was correct all along! More than 2,000 years before those voyages, the Bible said at Isaiah 40:22: "There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth," or as other translations say, "the globe of the earth" (Douay), "the round earth." (Moffatt)

Thus the more humans learn, the greater the evidence is that the Bible can be trusted. A former director of the British Museum, Sir Frederic Kenyon, wrote: "The results already achieved confirm what faith would suggest, that the Bible can do nothing but gain from an increase of knowledge."

Answer 4

The problem with including the flood as part of evidence is that every culture around the world has a flood story (nearly anyway). And it's probably more a result of the changes from the ice age than actual rain or whatnot. What would be a better question is actual documentation of the Arc in the specifics mentioned in the bible. I know there was a boat found in the mountains, but it did not match the dimensions or wood type described in scripture, and therefore, doesn't count.

Answer 5

There currently is no compelling evidence that Jesus existed as a historical figure, but on the other hand there is a lot of Roman records about his followers, so it would not be surprising if he actually existed. On the other hand there is no evidence for any of the supernatural events recorded in the Bible.

Edit:
Marine fossils where there is no water is not proof or evidence of the flood. (I really wish people would actually learn a bit about fossils before spouting their ignorance).

There is no Roman record of Jesus' crucifixion, which as they often recorded the names of those crucified is strange.

The site below will answer most of the young earth/creationist "proofs".

Last addendum:
Yes many cultures have flood stories but the only thing the stories have in common is a flood. Many of the stories have 2 or more floods and anywhere between no survivors to entire tribes, animals are sometimes mentioned others not. Basically with all the dissimilarities and time or origin differences it boils down to no commonality.

Answer 6

This is a response to Mike's answer. He said that the Sun and the Moon appearing the same size in the sky is proof.
Actually, the Moon wasn't always where it was, it used to be much closer to the Earth so it appeared much larger. It has since moved further away, and continues to move away from the Earth to this very day (Almost two inches a year) So in the future, it will appear much smaller in the sky.

Answer 7

Why do you believe an eyewitness of today, but deny them of
yesterday?

Greenleaf, one of the principle founders of the Harvard Law School, originally set out to disprove the biblical testimony concerning the resurrection of Jesus Christ. He was certain that a careful examination of the internal witness of the Gospels would dispel all the myths at the heart of Christianity. But this legal scholar came to the conclusion that the witnesses were reliable, and that the resurrection did in fact happen.

How many eyewitness accounts do you need? The several hundred or do you need about a gazillion more?

Peace & God bless from Texas. <><

Answer 8

There are historical records of Jesus written by men around the same time period.

Below is a quote from Cornelius Tacitus written around 54-68 A.D. affirming the death of Christ (Christus), by the hands of Pilate.

"Therefore, to scotch the rumor, Nero substituted as culprits, and punished with the utmost refinements of cruelty, a class of men, loathed for their vices, whom the crowd styled Christians. Christus, from whom they got their name, had been executed by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilate when Tiberius was emperor; and the pernicious superstition was checked for a short time, only to break out afresh, not only in Judea, the home of the plague, but in Rome itself, where all the horrible and shameful things in the world collect and find a home."

One source below has more info on Jesus.

Concerning the flood and other scientific evidences of the Bible....


The worldwide flood of Noah's time (Genesis 1:2,6,9; 7:11-24) has been ridiculed often.

In 1885, Edward Suess was one of the first geologists to publish a study based on the geologic framework of all countries. His research, especially in his observations of the world's mountain ranges, led to his discovery that all land surfaces had been under water. This explains why you find shells on the tops of mountains. Coincidence?

Many huge fossil beds have been found where great numbers of many different types of animals were together. The Flood explains this. As waters rose, animals sought higher ground and eventually were all together, then were swept off together where currents deposited them along with loads of sediment.

The evidence of quickly-frozen Mammoths in Siberia is in favor of the Flood.

The Grand Canyon is evidence of the Flood: water cut through material that was not yet consolidated after it had been deposited by the Flood.

Ernst Mayr, a leading taxonomist, lists only 17,600 species of mammals, birds, reptiles, and amphibians. How would you get all those animals in the Ark?

Taking sheep as the average size for the animals, you can fit 240 sheep into a two-level boxcar.

The Ark was a huge box with enough space for 522 boxcars (the measurements are in Genesis 6:15).

This means all the animals would fit, leaving plenty of space for food and people.

So, maybe the Flood and Noah's Ark are not so far-fetched after all?

Again, see the second source for more info.

Answer 9

Actually many civilizations have record of a flood occuring around the time of Noah; in Asia and the Americas. Just because there is no record found of Christ's trial doesn't mean it doesn't exist or was destroyed somehow. The creation of man is still up in the air because of the bones that have been found that date 100,000 years old aren't recognized as being related or relevant to modern man.

I'm not a Christian but I will not remain ignorant because of some half baked allegations and faulty logic.

Answer 10

Actually there have been quite a few documentaries on this....and the conclusion has always been that they can't prove or not prove it. Can I show you pictures, take you there, give you some type of evidence? Nope and I wouldn't dare try. My thing is this..I can only go by my experiences and my faith. It's not up to me to make you believe in ANYTHING. That's between you and whoever made you. If you don't believe and you don't care..why even ask for proof? If you do care and want to believe, then seek God and He'll provide you with what you need!

Answer 11

Oh boy been waiting for some moron to ask this question...thank you rectum lips...

I have seen scientific evidence showing a great flood...and the theories behind it...you need to watch more educational television instead of polluting your mind with Barney the dinosaur...

I have scientific evidence proving nearly 80% of the Bible with the exception of creation and crucifixtion...but then science hasn't been able to come up with any solid evidence to the contrary...nor in the past 2000 years has science been able to do anything but come up with 2000 different theories that have been proven in any manner...

In case you were playing with your little winkie and missed it the last 1000 times it was televised and published...the galactic firecracker that creates only 1 livable planet per solar system over a period of 500 trillion eons and the cute little amphibian from pangea who crawled out of the mud, climbed into the trees and grew fur to look like you, have never ever been even remotely proven as fact...