I say "Quantum Physics," you say "tomato." Why can't theists just accept the fact that...?

Question

...as far as any observable evidence in the "real world" (i.e. the world OUTSIDE of their illusory concatenations) is concerned, they're wrong? This doesn't necessarily invalidate their beliefs (the contradictions in their scripture does a good enough job without any help), but don't any of them accept the fact that there's nothing objective to substantiate their claim even a tiny bit?

Is this so hard to swallow?

Answer 1

interesting that you brought up qm, because i want to know if YOU are willing to accept the fact that qm proves that there is more to human experience than the "objective real world" in physics, too. the wave function doesn't collapse until the system is observed; the wave function is a complete physical description but it is not a complete description of our experience. it says nothing about they why and when of collapse, but collapse always happens.
are you willing to admit that there is more to human life than physics? because that is exactly what qm tells us.

as for your question, no big duh there is nothing objective about spiritual belief. that's the whole point. but your assumption that only the objective is real is mistaken, even within physics itself.

Answer 2

Eh I guess I fall in the category of theist and I'm annoyed with your claim.
There is substantial evidence for the supernatural that defy physics. And any scientist knows that impossible is just a matter of odds. How many people have been told they are going to die by a doctor and against all odds got up and lived a normal life? Science is not perfect, dear. Neither is religion. That's why diversity of opinions and point of views is so vital to our world. Sometimes the "real" answer comes from that one guy that sounds like a total nutjob!

Answer 3

That is very hard for theists to swallow because they often confuse the "real world" with their "illusory concatenations". Some of them seem to be convinced that we live in a world of make believe, where faith makes things true and God answers your every wish.

Answer 4

I think you mean a specific type of theist.

I suspect if you met a genuine polytheist, you'd find our beliefs are based on verifiable science and mathematics.

I find it patently ridiculous to claim we are the most evolved species in the whole of the universe, and damnably impossible, statistically.

We would appear as gods to a 1st century BCE man, especially with the right equipment, so I imagine any species that had their first technological revolution thousands, perhaps MILLIONS, maybe even billions, of years before our own would certainly meet every qualification of god in theology...

Would this god meet the definition of god in Abrahamic monotheism? Of course not, as omnipotence and the other omnis are self-exclusive (One cannot be both omniscient and omnipresent) ...also, how many true singularities are you aware of?

I concur that the Abrahamic deity is impossible.

Answer 5

I am just here to laugh at every answer that states, or hints to, the bible as proof. @ She said: we do not make a habit of stating things "do not exist". We just laugh as theists state absolutes without any evidence to support their claims. For example, the asker never made any attempt to say "Heaven and Hell do not exist". She merely asked you for your proof, and instead of actually answering the question you attempted to turn it back around in a pathetic manner which says one simple thing to everyone here: you have no proof. Good job.

Answer 6

Faith makes them feel good, and part of being a Christian, apparently, means putting feelings ahead of logic. There is nothing wrong with feeling and emotion, as long as it does not get in the way of rational thinking. It makes you wonder how much more progress humanity would make if we could eliminate religions.

Answer 7

I think the point is that it isn't objective. It speaks to the whole person, not just the mind.

After all, 'I love you' is best met with 'And I love you too', rather than 'OK, what's the proof of what you say? Where's the evidence?'

Answer 8

There are other ways of judging existence beyond the scientific method. Why does that song choke you up? Why is that childhood memory so important to you? Is friendship just an evolutionary advantage, or is it more than that? There are all kinds of questions that can't be quantified.

Is *that* so hard to swallow?

Answer 9

They're raised to believe that many hard evidences exist... Combine that with the lies they tell each other about science.

I would know - I was indoctrinated starting in childhood... then escaped when I went to college.

Answer 10

It's not.

I believe in God.

I also know there is no evidence to support that belief, so I evaluate my belief in God in relation to what evidence does say. If the God I believe in does not conform to what the evidence says, I have to redefine God. The problem comes in when people seek to redefine the evidence because it doesn't conform to their view of God.