Why does the bible claim that both Lucifer and Jesus are the Morning Star?

Question

In Isaiah 14:12 the bible says Lucifer is the morning star. You'll have to check some of the various versions of the bible to see that it's the morning star, which the KJV calls the "Son of the morning."

The KJV says this:
12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

The NIV says this:
12 How you have fallen from heaven,
O morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!

New American Standard Bible says this:
12"How you have (A)fallen from heaven,
O (B)star of the morning, son of the dawn!
You have been cut down to the earth,
You who have weakened the nations!

But Jesus declares he's lucifer in

Revelation 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Hey Old Guy read the verse again, he was already "laying low the nations" when he was said to be the morning star, so he was obviously already in "sin.": hahah..

Also don't you find it pretty funny that they're calling a star a "Son" ???

The whole "Son of God" concept is based off of nothing more than the worship of the SUN that they've turned into this fictional character called Jesus lol...

Hey Lazaurus, try reading what it says, it says that Lucifer is the morning star, and it says that Jesus is the morning star, how can two different people be the same entity... Jesus = Lucifer and Christians can't face what their own book says. hahah

Ice Pig AM, I'll check into that, I've found numerous other astrological references in the bible. Jesus is basically the Sun in the Age of Pisces. Take revelations where he says

Revelation 21:6
And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

The Omega the end is the age of Pisces, the two fish, the fisher of men that fed everyone with two fish, the light of the world.

The Alpha is the Age of Aquarius, the man with the pitcher of water, the water of life.

Luke 22:10
And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in.

It's saying follow the man with the pitcher of water "Aquarius" into the next house, or age of the zodiac.

It's a tale about the sun and the stars.

Adam's Rib, the morning star is actually the planet Venus, it is the brightest star in the sky (besides the Son/Sun).

Sun of the morning/morning star are definitely the same thing. lol..

Answer 1

The similarities between Christianity and Sun worshiping earlier religions is compelling.... Read the Epistle of James.. Take out the two obvious interpolations of the first and last sentences, and it is obviously a sun worshiping treatise...

Answer 2

Titles are not reserved for only one person in the bible.

The bible tells us of many who are lords, kings, even gods.

These titles do not make those individuals the same person, just the same "job"

Satan prior to rejecting true worship was a good example of reflecting God's glory.

When he rejected true worship he ceased being a shining star.

Jesus is the best example of someone reflecting God's glory, and proved faithful thus remaining a shining star.

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Answer 3

cause both are angels, all the sons of God are called stars in Job 38:4-7 and Jesus is the first angel or the Archangel (Michael) (See Daniel 12:1, 1 Thessal 4:16) and Satan is a Cherubim (see Ezekiel 28:11-15)

all angels are gods also according to Psalms 82:6, that is why the bible call god to Jesus (John 1:1) and to Satan (2 Corithians 4:4).

Job 1:6 says that all angels are sons of God, Jesus (Michael) is the firstborn (colossians 1:15-17)

the one who gave thumbs down? if you don´t like what the bible says then you don´t believe in the bible....

Answer 4

The actual Hebrew word hay-lale does not mean "star" but "bright or clear sounding" [as in singing Hallelujah] although it also denotes "brightly colored or shining", and appropriately, "boastfulness and pride". If the intended meaning was "star", the Hebrew word for star , kochob "a round rolling object", would have been used. The phrase, "son of morning" should read "son of the dawning", as in "the earliest" or "the first" -- God created the angels at the dawn of all of His creation. A more accurate English translation from the Hebrew should read, "O clear sounding, boasting son from the beginning", describing this rebel angel who was cast by God from the heavens.

Answer 5

And if you read Revelations, Mary is the Morning and Evening Star.

Answer 6

We don't see the Bible calling Satan "Lucifer" (Morning Star, Shining One) in Isaiah 14:12, it refers to the King of Babylon and is mocking him suggestively. In contrast, When Christ is referred to as the Morning Star (Rev 22:16), and Light Bearer (2 Peter 1:19), it is acknowledging Him. Two entirely different directions. When studying the Bible, it's important to read the whole passage before making assumptions.

Isaiah 14:12

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

"12 How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn! Thou hast been cut down to earth, O weakener of nations."

This is a verse Mocking the King of Babylon, and Babylon itself.



The noun "lucifer" translates "Morning Star," or "The Planet Venus", and even a verb meaning "Light Bringing" but not to "Satan" - "Accuser" or Adversary"... It is a Latin word used in that verse in the Latin Vulgate, and then later the KJV, and also to describe the planet Venus in Latin, but was not necessarily the name used for Satan until long after the 1st century Christians who wrote the remainder of the Bible.

Therefore it is safe to say that the verse in Isaiah 14:12 (Shining One, Day Star) is most likely not referring to the same person as 2 Peter 1:19 (Literal grk. "Light Bearer") and Revelation 22:16 (Literal grk. "The Bright Star of the Morning"), but the Babylonian King/Babylon itself in the then future - This is why it is dangerous to just read one Bible verse, but rather must read the whole chapter, or at least the whole passage to get the whole meaning before making assumptions.

It is also important to Note that the New Testament is written in Greek, the Old in Hebrew and in places Aramaic (a few chapters in Ezra, & Daniel, and a sentence in Jeremiah). Therefore No place in the original language did the word Lucifer come up (a Latin Vulgate Word) yet the word Satan (Accuser, Adversary) was used many times when referring to the actual fallen angel, Satan.

It is also important to note that Isaiah 14:12 is a mocking verse directed to the person it refers to, and may very well be making a comparison to Who he thought he was, ie. the "Shining One", ie, the Messiah.

Therefore it is also safe to assume that the Bible nowhere intends to say that Jesus Christ the Messiah is the same person as Satan the Fallen Angel. Nor does it actually intend to refer to Satan when mocking the fallen king of Babylon, however the translators may have felt there was a comparison in the text. However the Bible Never Mocks Heavenly Beings.

Thus the word Lucifer is not the original Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek name for Satan, but actually "Satan" itself is. The verse in Isaiah 14:12 refers to Babylon and NOT to Satan (and "Lucifer" is the Latin word for "Morning Star", not "Satan" - "The Accuser" or "Adversary"), yet the two have been closely related throughout History. However the Bible does suggest the the Greek word for "Light Bearer" (2 Peter 1:19) is a reference to Christ Jesus after his resurrection and consequential ascension.

Thus it is safe to say that Jesus Christ is the Morning Star, the Light Bearer, and the Messiah who came to visit us before his eternal Reign begins in the near future, and that Isaiah 14:12 is a mockery of the Babylonian King who thought he was the "Great Shining One" but is now just dust and a memory.


To clarify more about who Jesus Christ is, I would suggest reading Colossians 1:11-29

Here is a link:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians+1%3A+11-29&version=ESV

Good Luck ;-)

Answer 7

Ambiguity

Answer 8

It is an analogy, and analogies can be applied to different things. Lucifer ceased to be the moring star when he fell into sin. At one time he was the very radience of Christ's creation.

Answer 9

Different books written by different authors in different places and both of them making it up as they went along.

Answer 10

lol-he is already three people what is one more----on the serious note-this one has been discussed at great length and various arguments for both sides are readily found with a search-you can make up your own mind on it------just my thoughts---smile and enjoy the night