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do yourself a favor & do a google search on "christian pagan Holidays, you'll be surprised then read 2 thessollonians cha 2 & see what you think

2007-12-09 15:21:05 · 27 answers · asked by zorrro857 4 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

27 answers

I do, but it really doesn't matter any more

2007-12-09 15:28:23 · answer #1 · answered by Experto Credo 7 · 0 5

Christmas has long since been observed but the meaning has been lost, or rather what it is for a particular individual is up to him. It could mean a doll for a little girl, a job for a jobless when he he gets one during this holiday season, sorrow for those who were burned by firecrackers...etc.
If, however, you are thinking of the origin --- how it came to be ---- then going back to the early Roman events, would give us some insights. History has it that when The Emperor Constantine became converted to Christianity, along with him came also pagan Rome. Then, succeeding Emperors did not only observe Christianity, but made it a law as the official Roman religion. But alongside with these developments, the pagan rites for the
customary Roman god Saturn still rages on. Saturnalia was still the "Saturday Night" out for the people. So to make things
better acceptable to the people, and as politics would have it, Saturnalia did not become outlawed but became Christmas. So Merry Saturnalia.... err, I mean, Christmas.
to you all.

2007-12-09 23:48:17 · answer #2 · answered by ? 6 · 0 1

Actually just about any holiday that you research goes back to pagan beliefs... christmas, easter, and especially halloween. I didn't google it, but from what i remember, Jesus was not born in the winter, he was born in the fall, and around the time Christmas is actually celebrated was a celebration to the Sun god or something. The people thought that the days were going to get shorter and shorter until it was night all the time, so they thought they should praise a pagan god to bring back sunlight. People these days obviously are not purposefully celebrating a pagan holiday, they are either just unaware or feel like that is not why they are celebrating, so it makes it OK. I may have my facts missed up. I'm sleepy and rambling.

2007-12-09 23:32:06 · answer #3 · answered by yesma'am 3 · 1 1

The movie "The Da Vinci Code" had some fascinating religious history in it, including how the timing of Christmas came about. Here's one account:

"In the early Christian Church, the birth of Christ was not celebrated. During the first three hundred years of the religion the Church in Rome discouraged such a celebration, concerned that it would appear to be more like a Pagan ritual, than a Christian holiday. As church officials attempted to convert Romans to Christianity, many of the residents continued to celebrate a major winter holiday, "Saturnalia", which was a celebration that lasted a week, which celebrated the Birth of the Unconquerable Sun. This celebration consisted of parades, merry-making and gift giving. This celebration culminated on December 25th with a celebration of the winter solstice. Also celebrated in Rome around the winter solstice was Juvenalia, which was a celebration for children. Pope Julius I chose December 25 as the date that the birth of Christ would be celebrated with the hope that the choice of that date would be more easily accepted by the Romans."

It's an interesting strategy to embrace artifacts from other religions in order to replace them. It's amazing how far religion has gradually drifted away from Christ's teachings, even while holding him up as the icon to follow.

Today the useful role of Christmas to most Christian faiths may be to train children to believe in a being that watches them, judges whether they are good or bad, and rewards them accordingly. Children are also taught to practice the suspension of disbelief, they're encouraged to not ask too many questions, and to refuse to acknowledge publicly any disbelief they have so as not to discourage other believers. It's a way of training kids to become good followers, ones that won't think critically or ask too many questions.

2007-12-09 23:46:59 · answer #4 · answered by J S 5 · 0 3

Christmas means something different to all. To me it is a chaotic time of year where folks spend more than they have and sacrifice there values in an attempt to overcome some sort of guilt. At the end of the day they are typically further from there spiritual intent.

It could and should be a spiritual pursuit.

Perhaps it has been changed by deceptions by fine marketing folks of select retailers.

What will you do to make Christmas right? Volunteer with the homeless shelters or adopt a child? Whatever you do, give beyond.

2007-12-09 23:36:02 · answer #5 · answered by dfwmystic 1 · 0 3

Yes. The church hijacked many pagan festivals to encourage people to worship God.

It's believed that Jesus, son of Joseph and Mary was born around September time in 4BCE rather than when it has been suggested (by the church).

Here is 2nd thessalonians. Scroll down for chapter 2. (verses 1 through 17)

http://ebible.org/web/2Thes.htm

2007-12-09 23:28:49 · answer #6 · answered by Rob K 6 · 2 2

We're talking about a pagan holiday here, a calibration to help people get through the hard winter. Christmas as celebrated today was created by Clement Moore (The night before Christmas) in New York City in the early nineteenth century as a social holiday. We are still very good at Christmas here in NY.

2007-12-09 23:27:52 · answer #7 · answered by hfrankmann 6 · 1 4

A time to SELL anything with the color of red, white, and green. I'm sorry did I said sell? I mean a time to DO an act of worship to Santa (SA_TAN). Oops I say too much. Now everyone knows Satan's secret. Shame on me.

2007-12-10 14:01:11 · answer #8 · answered by My2Cents 5 · 2 0

THE Christmas spirit is not Christian, because it did not originate with Christ. It predated the Christian era by many centuries. Shortly after the Flood the spirit and the whole celebration of Christmas had its beginning. It began with Nimrod, grandson of Ham the son of Noah, a wicked, ruthless dictator, responsible for the great organized worldly apostasy from God that continues to this day. In contempt for God and all decency Nimrod married his own mother, Semiramis. After his untimely death, his mother-wife, Semiramis, taught the lie that her husband-son was a spirit god. She claimed a full-grown evergreen tree sprang overnight from a dead tree stump, which symbolized the springing forth to new life of the dead Nimrod. She taught that on the anniversary of his birth, which was December 25, Nimrod would visit the evergreen tree and leave gifts upon it. The historian, Professor Hislop, says: “Now the Yule Log is the dead stock of Nimrod, deified as the sun-god, but cut down by his enemies; the Christmas-tree is Nimrod redivivus—the slain god come to life again.”—The Two Babylons, pages 97, 98.

This is the beginning of Christmas with its spirit. This is also the origin of the yule log, the Christmas tree, the celebrating of birthdays, the spirit of exchanging gifts, the spirit of feasting and merrymaking, visits and salutations, jocularity, revelry and drunkenness. All of this is an outgrowth of the first lie, nurtured by the spirit of Satan the Devil, who told it. In Eden to Eve he said: “You positively will not die. For God knows that in the very day of your eating from it your eyes are bound to be opened and you are bound to be like God, knowing good and bad.” Like Eve, Semiramis believed Satan’s lie and proclaimed Nimrod as a spirit god. With this proclamation a wild celebration began on his birthday that has stuck down through the centuries to our day. In.the Western world it is called Christmas.—Gen. 3:4, 5,

2007-12-09 23:24:40 · answer #9 · answered by Just So 6 · 5 1

no place in the bible even in the king james bible does it say that Jesus Christ was born on DEC 25. it does not even say when Jesus Christ was born because it was not as important as his death. we know that Jesus Christ die on Nisan 14, the last supper or the passover. Jesus Christ said to celebrate his death not his birth and we celebrate all around the world in 236 lands worldwide. it is a pagan man made holiday. I asked my neighbor if you say it is Jesus Christ birthday what does he get? she looked at me and said nothing. ask children what is christmas all about and they say presents, nothing about Jesus Christ. most don't even know who Jesus Christ is

2007-12-10 07:05:07 · answer #10 · answered by lover of Jehovah and Jesus 7 · 6 0

That was very sly of someone to do that, even a JW. I don't think that the internet is going to be the best way to send your message. Many people who go to this site won't open a bible and read what you want them to. Besides, we all know that religions, even JW, borrow from other religions those things they want to 'incorporate' (sorry) into their own methodology, and throw everything else away as 'bad'.

2007-12-09 23:31:39 · answer #11 · answered by Another Guy 4 · 0 3

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