Does hearing that the historical Jesus was a rabble rousing itinerant rabbi make you upset?

Question

I seem to get more thumbs down when I mention in answers that the Christ of the Bible fed the hungry, healed the sick and spoke out against the oppression of both the political and the religious authorities.

Why is that?

Answer 1

The jesus of history would have no idea who the jesus of the bible was.

Answer 2

Well, if you ask me the stories of the bible are esoteric in the sense that they relate in allegoric form through the grab of what appears to be historical events realities of mind and being, which are universally a an aspect(s) of our own inner cosmology of being. To them this meant everything as it would prepare the individual to enter the inner kingdom, the desire sought after.

Imo little is historical in the NT, it is not a historical narrative but an inner one with the same symbolic patterns that are imbued in the OT (Old Testament) and Ou'ran, in fact their is no difference between these in regards to the ultimate, there is only a difference in literal application, as the New Testament is more simple and not infused with such a strong allegorical imagery (savage mystery religion imagery). If you ask me when something is put in scriptures it no longer relates to history, the story of the literal Yeshua does not exist in the book, what is displayed is a aspect and reality of mind and being, within the seeker that they must embody and invoke within themselves. Not to say that I don't believe there is or was no historical aspects, but there is far more non historical elements interwoven, also deliberate inconsistencies so it could not be seen as literal. In the real story it probably was more like this, Yeshua was a man who came from a small community where they were of the Essene sect and were apart from the rest of the Jewish communities. He was probably wise from birth, enlightened from birth and possessed a developed mind, like a gifted kid. And was reared up for a specific purpose, and went about to do it. And he met others who were like him, and since I believe they knew each other beyond that life, what Yeshua accomplished was a group effort, since he was in the position to become what he did. Their probably wasn't a lot of followers, but numbers didn't matter because he had some of the most developed and advanced of souls as his disciples and brothers and they brought about movement in the world, where they opposed the would be teachers of this world, the leaders who lead the people wrong and enslaved their minds to practices and traditions that served their agendas and the world (what they would call the God of this world) and obstructed the people away from the coming to know thy self. Of course he helped the people, him and his disciples. They fought against the forces of the world, and jump started something special which would change the world.

And of course people give you more thumbs down, why not? Either you have to deny his existence as myth or you have to repeat repetitious rhetoric about how he is God and yet his own Father who saves everyone from their sins in his pagan blood sacrifice.

Answer 3

My first reaction : I would! Because, if Jesus really existed and he was sent for the good of mankind he would not just sent to live among the rabbles.

He would be sent and have to face up with all of the strata, from the top of the government down to the lepers. Which i believe he did spoke to all of them.

BUT, thinking twice, I can understand that no authorities would like to acknowledge his present. He was born and grew up among the lower class of society at that time.

He won the rabbles hearts but they were illiterate, so nothing would put in writing at that time until somebody in power believe his present and started to write about him.
So historicly, its almost nothing written about Jesus.

It's quite different than story of Moses, Buddha, Solomon, David, Muhammad whom started their life or lived as part of their upper class society.

You get thumbs down from people who dont like your answers, obviously. Many people people have an attitude : only want to hear what they want to hear, they dont want to listen to others different opinion.

Answer 4

In all fairness you don't see that view in the Gospel of John, which is probably - ironically - where people get their basic idea of Jesus' character from, considering its universally understood to be the least 'historical' and the most literary of the gospels.

If you read Mark, or Luke, or even Matthew to a certain extent, it's hard to come away with the idea of Jesus as a serene, stained-glass icon. It's even harder if you read them within the context of their historical setting. It seems Jesus' followers were setting him up as quite a subversive figure.

Peace to you.

Answer 5

Jesus the great healer, the Savior, is sometimes hard to believe. After all a miracle is something that cannot be explained easily, even today the miracle of the transubstantiation occurs right before out eyes. At that time, Jesus preformed many miracles and only a small number of the population actually believed he was the Son of God, prophesied about.

Answer 6

Jesus replaced into no "rabble rousing social liberal". Jesus taught that guy ought to "render unto Caesar that that's Caesar's and to God, that that's God's". Jesus on no account taught that the persons ought to objective to overthrow the government. the final products of His wrath have been the religious leaders of the day that had created their own synthetic version of Judaism and have been coaching the Jews and doing issues that have been opposite to the Bible. lots of the Jewish leaders hated Him lots that they demanded that the Roman government execute Him via crucifixion.

Answer 7

Suppose God (if you believe in such a Deity) were to come to earth as a human today, with the same message of love and salvation that the Biblical Jesus reportedly brought 2000 years ago?
Would He go to the government?
Hell, no! He'd be in prison in less than no time, with such radical notions as "love your enemies" and "pray for those who persecute you"....
Would He go to the established Christian church?
NO! They'd toss Him out on His ear the minute He started talking about giving away our possessions to feed the poor, and trusting in God's simple provisions for us...

No, He'd go to the "rabble"...He'd be a "rabble rousing itinerant preacher"...and He'd get Himself into the very same trouble with the government and the church that He got into 2,000 years ago, and for the very same reasons...

And THAT, my cynical friend, is why you get so many thumbs down.

I expect I'll get a few for this answer, as well...what do you think??

Answer 8

Well you could call him that but that was the perspective of the Jewish and Roman authorities at the time. You choose what way you wanna think about him I suppose. The Bible is respected as a historical book as well so whose counting? What are you trying to prove anyway it really doesn't make sense to worry about silly definitions when you have faith.

Answer 9

What else would an unbeliever of the time think of Him? That is just what the Jewish leaders accused Him of to Pilate and Pilate said there was no evidence for this.Tacitus a Roman who was in Jerusalem at the time wrote that "one called Christus was stirring up trouble with his followers"...what else would they say?Josephus who wrote at that time (and was not a believer but a Pharisee)said "If anyone was the Messiah,it would have been him"...but see Josephus didn't think it was Him really.

Answer 10

Most people don't want to hear the true message of God's
Word. Some people want to hear a watered down verison of
the Gospel message.

Some religions tell you it does'nt matter what you believe, as long as you believe in God; but the Bible says;

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no
man cometh unto the Father, [ God ] but by me. John 14:6

If you believe in God, stand by your faith.

Answer 11

Because if Christ was here today, that's what He would be doing–unlike SOME of the Christians of today who think our government is great.