if being in the presence of god is so wonderful?

Question

why would satan become jealous of him, to be cast out of heaven.

does that mean when someone goes to heaven, they may also try to compete with god and end up feeling his wrath?

does this make any sense to you. coz it doesn't to me.

Answer 1

In ancient Jewish tradition Satan is simply an angel doing the work that God assigned to Satan to do.

The word Satan means challenger. With the idea of Satan challenging us, or tempting if you will. This description sees Satan as the angel who is the embodiment of man's challenges. This idea of Satan works closely with God as an integral part of Gods plan for us. His job is to make choosing good over evil enough of a challenge so that it becomes clear to us that there can be only one meaningful or logical choice.

Contrast this to Christianity, which sees Satan as God's opponent. In Jewish thought, the idea that there exists anything capable of setting itself up as God's opponent would be considered polytheistic or setting up the devil to be an equally powerful polarity to god or a demigod.

Oddly, proof for The Christian satan/devil mythology is supposedly found in the ancient Jewish texts that were borrowed to create the bible. One can’t help but wonder how Christians came up with such a fantastically different interpretation of Gods assistant Satan in their theology.

Other hints about Satan’s role in human relations can be seen if you look at the name Lucifer. It’s meaning in the original tongue translates as Light bearer or light bringer. Essentially the bringer of enlightenment. The temptations of the Satan idea bring all of us eventually into Gods light. Hardly the Evil entity of Christian mythology.

Love and blessings
don

Answer 2

The only competition with God, which is impossible, are the gods that fought with each other to become THE MOST HIGH god. from the first know civilization, Sumer. So far I have not found the mention of Satan in the cuneiform script interpretations and the depiction's on the cylinder seals. This is where a lot of the teachings of all the religions, if not all originated from. If anyone knows of a depiction of Satan, besides the serpent, which also was described as wisdom, please send reference to my email.
The only wrath, was from the waring gods, who were super human and were able to bring destruction at will. Yes, it truly was a fearful thing to fall into the hands of an angry god. The bible speaks of several gods, Baal for one, and others. These were not false gods, nor were they a figure of mans imagination. They just had lesser abilities than the one that won the position of the Most High god. The same ego mind set when we cross or condemn other religions, continues today. All religious wars are the same, my god's bigger than your god, our religion is the only true religion, and the battle continues.
This formless nameless, powerful essence we perceive as God, does not have an ego, but is all love. Prime Creator, or the First Cause was thought, if this fallen angel we Satan could not have a thought, unless the thought came from all there was, all there is and all that shall ever be. If anything exist today, the origin is traced back to the wisdom, knowledge, intelligence, understanding and pure thought of this nameless, massive, all loving powerful energy, that no human could ever come near to it without becoming non existant, except for the life of this essence in you, called spirit or soul. Energy cannot be destroyed, only changes form.
I hope this makes some sense, it's the only way that I can understand any of the orgin of all existance.

Answer 3

That's because you don't understand that angels are not human. No you don't become an angel if you go to heaven I have learned that there is ranking in heaven or the other side or whatever word people use to describe God's kingdom, remember there is perfection there and God knows everything.

Your question is a good one, I don't know where we rank, but I don't think we see God when we die, we may go to Jesus' Father's House as Jesus promised but Jesus describes it as that happening only at the time of judgement but it will be as though we only slept an hour. this is the problem I have with mediums claiming to be able to speek with spirits, could that part of Jesus' teachings have been tampered with, or did he leave something out because He knew that His disciples would never understand it, although He performed many miracles beyond understanding.

I don't think we will be given that much power otherwise heaven would be the same as earth and earth is not heaven.

The war in that broke out in heaven has already been faught many many ions ago, before the creation of man, and God won, you can read about it in any Bible.

Answer 4

No. Satan, (like us), was given free will to follow God or not. He chose NOT!

As humans, we also have the free choice whether or not we want to follow Christ.

But Satan wasn't human. He WAS created perfect.

When we who know Christ, will come face to face with Him, we will be MADE perfect, as we see here:

1 Corinthians 15:35-58 (New International Version)
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The Resurrection Body
35But someone may ask, "How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?" 36How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. 39All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.
42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"[a]; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we[b] bear the likeness of the man from heaven.

50I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."[c]
55"Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?"[d] 56The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.

We know what awaits us. Why would we WANT to rebel against Him, when we are in the presence of He who scarficed Himself for us?

Answer 5

It means that there had to be a fall guy and this Satan fellow fit perfectly into what the church was trying to do, give divinity to a god that did not exist while at the same time show you what would happen if you denied their concept of the afterlife.

Answer 6

We know that you hate God (even though you don't believe in Him) and that you hate Christians and mock them, so of course it makes no sense to you that someone would want to be in His presence.

No, it does not mean that everyone who goes to Heaven might try to competete with God.

IMO, Satan wanted to be like God. That is why he rebelled.

Answer 7

The heavenly creatures God created all had free will, and so Satan chose to let his egotistical feelings to grow, feeling he deserved to be worshipped by humans. Note that every angel who turned away from God let their desire for something else override their love of God

Answer 8

The Christians are so hipocrates that I don't believe you are going to get any answer! You are right! God is scared of competition!

As we all know, the Bible God is a very narcissistically oriented team of Gods who became very paranoiac “in the beginning” in the Garden of Eden about humans becoming “like one of us” (i.e. any one of the Trinity, 3 gods in 1 deity) if they ate from the “Tree of Life”. So after Eve sinned, a “flaming sword flashing back and forth” was placed in the Garden of Eden to prevent the access to this tree until God had it transplanted elsewhere or until it withered! About 1,000 years later, the Bible God REPENTS having created man and destroys humanity in the FLOOD, except for Noah! Humans begin to proliferate again in peace and harmony. No ghettos. No wars. No crime. They all spoke the same language. HUMANITY WAS UNITED LIVING IN PEACE AND HARMONY LIKE NEVER AGAIN! God alleges that the whole Earth started to build a tower “to reach Heaven”. The Trinity God team became paranoiac again fearing that mankind would actually reach Heaven! (Gen 11) Any of us would have loved to watch how many floors of “clay brick and tar” are needed to reach Heaven, but not so the Bible God! They would not risk finding out too late! Because of this daring the Trinity God team is set to punish humanity by confusing the language in a way that NOBODY understands anybody else! NOBODY BEATS THE BIBLE GOD as the greatest “Author of Confusion” ever! That is how the Bible explains why we have so many different languages and so much diversity in the world today… we have Ghettos, racism, nationalism, wars, crime, religions galore, and so on! According to the Bible we are no longer united! So God the Son Jesus Christ was sent to “gather together everybody” back to God! Christians love to tell the GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD that Jesus, a.k.a. the “LAMB OF GOD” is said to have been brutally tenderized with all kinds of torture instruments available to the Roman soldiers at that time. Jesus was thoroughly marinated in Roman spit and nailed to a Roman Holy Cross to appease God the Father’s unique sadistic thirst for justice! Please have pity on Jesus and believe! Actually, you really need to believe all this or go to Hell! The choice is yours! You have free will!

Answer 9

That's like asking where the Garden of eden is if it were so perfect, why can't we find it. The Bible is not meant to be taken literally, it's a book of lessons that people are meant to reflect on, but the Church says "See what God did to Adam and Eve?!" Which I find funny because the names Adam and Eve both originate in England, yet they're found being written about in the Middle East.

Answer 10

Please allow me to explain.

Nahum 1:9  What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time.

All of creation will see the effects of Satan's rebellion. Once they realize what rebellion against GOD leads to, they will think twice!

GOD bless