The bible is clear you can loose salvation. Once saved always saved is a doctrine of man and is a different gospel than what Peter, Paul and the writers of the New Testament preached. Read what Paul said about preaching a different gospel in Galations 1:8,9.
Get a concorance and look up the scripture that say to take heed he who thinks he stands lest he fall. Fall from what? If he is not saved how can he fall?
It is the once saved always saved doctrine that twists scripture. Sorry but you asked.
Something to think about if all the Christian doctrines and churches are going to heaven then doesn't it make sense that the all spiritual paths lead to the same place and that includes us pagans? Or is the Southern Baptist and those once saved always saved the only ones going to heaven? But yet they condemn any church that teaches only one truth and one church and one doctrine.
Steve
2007-12-09 03:26:39
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answered by Anonymous
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You can ask yourself a question: "Is it possible for me to find a church which believes in everything I believe?" I've been to five churches, and no one church believes exactly as I do. The most important thing is to look at the fruit of the teaching. Do the people love one another? Are servants being raised up? Is the church reaching out with the Gospel?
I believe in once saved, always saved, but I'm not sure I would leave a church over that doctrine if the fruit of love is clearly present.
2007-12-09 15:21:11
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answered by Steve Husting 4
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If you are not comfortable with the teaching at that church, find another. I personally believe that once you fall, and continue in willful sin not seeking forgiveness, then at some point you are in jeopardy of losing your reward. The Prodigal son did have to take the initiative to return after all by taking the steps to change his direction. Conditions have been set forth from the very beginning, right from the choice of Adam and Eve. Conditions based on choices we make. I have been on both sides of the once saved - always saved argument.
But in the end, does it matter? Do you want an excuse to disobey God, to live in sin? This issue matters little for the person who desires to serve and honor God with all their being. I do not look for loopholes in my walk with God. There are none. I know that when I sin - there is without a doubt, a separation of the presence of God from my life. Only sincere repentance restores that relationship.
2007-12-09 03:24:20
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answered by JohnFromNC 7
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Martin Luther said: Faith alone saves, saving faith in never alone.
It indicates the importance of the work of the saved person. A saved the person does the works which are called the fruits of the Spirit.
Once genuinely saved always saved. (Salvation sealed by the Holy Spirit). On contrary, if one claims to be saved and still does all kinds of evil where no true repentance from wickedness, the genuineness of his salvation has room for doubts.
However, we are not to judge who gets saved who doesn't. It's ultimately in God's hand to judge. But if a Christian or a church lives much like this world does and does not distinguish as the Salt and Light to this world, time to read the bible seriously and find a bible based church.
2007-12-09 03:12:57
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answered by Paul 2
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There are many very good churches on both sides of this debate. Some churches lean toward Calvinism (which also believes once saved, always saved) and Arminianism (which believes one can lose their salvation).
I am in a church that I disagree with on certain points, but the teaching and the agape love I experience there is more than enough to keep me there.
When we don't major in the minors, we get along just fine. It's these divisive doctrines that cause problems, and they are rarely brought up.
2007-12-09 03:09:06
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answered by Anonymous
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I'd go as far away from the church as I possibly could! Our salvation is absolutely intact. It's not sealed by our conduct or sealed by our behaivior, it is sealed by the precious blood of our Lord Jesus Christ. Any church that teaches that is teaching false doctrine, & chances all that's not the only false doctrine they're teaching. Look elsewhere.
I just listened to a wonderful message on eternal security today, & if you'd like to download the audio visit rejoicetv.org & download the sermon "The Safest Place to Be". It's very good. If you need more teaching visit my church website at parkplacebaptisths.org, click on "About", then "Contact Us" & send an email telling them you'd like to email me & I will email you a sermon podcast from Charles Stanley that will really aid you on this topic.
2007-12-09 17:22:00
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answered by Anonymous
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The problem with 'once saved always saved' is that you never really know that you ARE saved until it's too late. Better to work out your faith in fear and trembling. Keep up the good fight, and you CAN be sure of your salvation. But just trusting that a one-time prayer will fix you up for life is just plain stupid.
The good news is, when God has you, you don't WANT to let go!
2007-12-09 03:16:47
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answered by Michelle C 4
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This is an Arminist or Wesleyan view and is quite in keeping with Biblical teaching. You might read some of Wesley's works or discuss this with someone from the Methodist church or one of the churches that branched off from it. I presume from your comments that you are a Calvinist and therefore believe that you were chosen by God to be saved before time and others were chosen to not be saved. ( this is a tenet of Calvinism the other leading form of Christian theology.)
2007-12-09 03:34:42
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answered by David F 5
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Their right. The "once saved always saved" doctrine is completely unscriptural. If that saying was the truth, then people like judas would be in heaven right now. you cant lose your salvation but you can reject it. Thats what happens when a christian considers themselves saved but willfully sin against God. Their rejecting their salvation by doing the very things christ came to save them from. Bro, you need to pray and ask God to explain this in further detail.
2007-12-09 03:08:04
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answered by ReliableLogic 5
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Once God is with you, he never lets go. If your church doesn't understand that much, it's probably a good idea to try a few others for a better fit. Although, it is important to keep a close relationship with him throughout your spiritual life, and the value of that aspect cannot be underwritten. I would take a look at some other churches, since they obviously have a bit of a skewed perception of scripture.
2007-12-09 03:06:31
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answered by mradrz4evr 2
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