Catholics please have a look at this.?

Question

Can you please explain this to me and provide the scripture?Please don't send me to some available site.
"The Vatican said earlier this week that Pope Benedict XVI would {grant indulgences for a limited time} to pilgrims who visit Lourdes for the 150th anniversary."
"In the Catholic Church, indulgences are remittances of suffering for sins. {In order to go to heaven, it is believed one must 'repair' the harm committed on earth before death.}"

SCRIPTURE PLEASE, THANK YOU.

scholar_... I AM NOT OUT TO BASH ANYONE.I am out to prove what God wants.I understand your reasoning here.We generally reap what we sow just as David did in your scripture.But reaping it shouldn't be a requirement needed for forgiveness.David was not forgiven because his son died.A criminal committing a crime may go to prison for what he has done.But he finds forgiveness through Jesus, not for time spent in prison.Right?

I am not suggesting that its wrong to make restitution.But resitution should be made because we are saved, not so I can be saved.Our works cannot save us, and that is whats being said here. Not to mention, for a limited time only.

Born again catholic: I asked for scripture not website.If you had read the entire question you would have seen that.You would have also seen that is a requirement to go to heaven, along with the "limited time" table.

HOW DOES A MAN PUT A LIMITED TIME ON SALVATION?
"grant indulgences for a limited time"
COME ON YOU THAT FOLLOW CHRIST.DOESN'T THIS DISTURB YOU?WAKE UP!

"David is forgiven but his child was still taken (the consequence of his sin)."

This child of David's represented how another child would come into the world and die for sin.This Child has since come, His name is Jesus.He died not only for Davids sin, but for the sins of the whole world. Come now, don't wait........

SCHOLAR the above content is for you.

BORN AGAIN CATHOLIC: Here are the words that Jesus spoke to the woman who was caught in adultery."When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more" John 8:10-11
Note the words here that Jesus speaks to her "Neither do I condemn thee"

Now here are your words.
"If you truly wish to understand this and aren't just waving the Bible at us to condemn it out of hand, do read them."

Here you suggest to me that I am using the Bible to condemn you.The word of God should never condemn those who have been forgiven.Such was the case of the adulterous woman.She was to be no more condemned, nor was she to continue living in her sins.
I read all of your scriptures that you posted from the Bible.I did not find anything that would merit indulgences in the scripture.

Answer 1

"And I heard another voice out of heaven saying, Come out of her, My people, that you do not participate in her sins and that you do not receive her plagues" Rev 18:4

Even as believers in Christ may we too fully come out of her in her practices and mixtures.

May the Lord be rich in mercy to rescue many out of Babylon

In Christ
sandy

Answer 2

Let's boil this down, then. You're "out to prove what God wants", and say that works don't save us.

We agree. Our own works don't save us. Neither do indulgences; this practice is not tied to salvation but rather the doctrine of purgatory. And for that, the best source is "some available site" (in this case, the Catechism) which does show the Scriptural backup as well as the authoritative explanation of the doctrine. Below is a link to search results within the Catechism for "purgatory", with a second link to results of a search on "indulgence".

If you truly wish to understand this and aren't just waving the Bible at us to condemn it out of hand, do read them.

Edit: I did read it, dear. The best source of information about Catholic doctrine is the Catechism, which also explains the Scriptural basis. But here you go. I'm assuming you have a Bible at hand and do not need the verses actually typed out:
1 Cor 3:15; 1 Pet 1:7.
Matt. 5:26,18:34; Luke 12:58-59.
Matt. 5:48.
Luke 12:47-48.
Heb. 12:14.
Heb. 12:23.
1 Peter 3:19; 4:6.
Rev. 21:27.

Answer 3

You do not understand what an indulgence is.

+ Purgatory +

To discuss indulgences, first we have to talk about Purgation (or Purgatory).

Are you perfect now? Most people would say no.

Will you be perfect in heaven? Most people believe yes.

Purgatory (or purgation) is the process of God's love changing our imperfect selves into perfect beings. Depending on the amount of change needed by different people this can be an easy or slightly harder process.

Everyone in purgatory is on their way to heaven. I don't think Mother Teresa of Calcutta had a very hard time of it.

+ Indulgences +

The concept is that a person can do acts of penance now on earth to make purgation easier.

Penance is internally turning one's heart toward God and away from sin in hope in divine mercy and externally by fasting, prayer, and almsgiving.

A corruption grew in the Church many years ago where rich people would give enough alms (money to the Church) to essentially buy an easy way to heaven. This was one of Martin Luther's protests (hence Protestants) and shortly thereafter the Catholic Church cleaned up this practice.

In 1567 Pope Pius V canceled all grants of indulgences involving any fees or other financial transactions.

But remember because everyone in purgatory is already on their way to heaven, indulgences do not get you into heaven. They just make purgation easier.

I guess if you did not believe in purgatory then there would be no reason to worry about indulgences.

With love in Christ.

Answer 4

You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.' "

2 Samuel 12:12-14
Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the LORD."

Nathan replied, "The LORD has taken away your sin. You are not going to die. But because by doing this you have made the enemies of the LORD show utter contempt, [a] the son born to you will die."

even though the sin is forgiven, there is punishment due for the forgiven sin. David is forgiven but his child was still taken (the consequence of his sin).

A crucial aspect of Catholic and Jewish theology is that one must try to make amends for their sins.

For Catholics Christ paid the ultimate penaty of sin on the cross, however, people must still pay a temporal punishment.

I know you don'twant it but if you truly are looking to understand indulgances and not just trying to bash what you percieve to be some non-biblical practice you must also try to understand the Catholic undersanding of Salvation, Purgaory, and sin.

With love in Christ

Answer 5

The Bible/the holy scriptures all speak against the European Pope. The Bible/the holy scriptures declare that the European Pope is sinning against God. The European Pope hasn't used the Bible/authentic Bible scripture for centuries.

God, Jesus Christ, and the Bible were all thrown away years ago by the Church of Rome to be replaced by Pope worship.

Some readers criticize Benny Hinn. In fact, the European Pope historically has been and is far worse than Benny Hinn.

Answer 6

Probably the pope can grant such due to being the 'bishop of rome' and having the keys of the kindom that St Peter got from Jesus. Two movies comment of indulgences well: Luther starring Joseph Fiennes and Dogma starring George Carlin.

Answer 7

Amen brother Don. You are absolutely right. Indulgences are appalling to God and man. Even an atheist can see through the greed of the church to create such a thing. I knew a young woman once who was sobbing her eyes out because she didn't have 10,000 dollars the priest said it would cost to get her mother out of hell. I lie not.

Answer 8

when he says repair he means that we should go to Reconciliation every few weeks so we can heal and repair our soul so that we're closer towards God. Also he is referring to the New Commandment Jesus made after his return from death. "Forgive others as you would forgive yourself".

In short terms before you die you should make sure that your soul is as pure and clean as possible and that you should have forgiven as many people as you could for your sins that you've committed toward them.

Answer 9

*Is Catholic*

There is a fundamental difference between the Catholic understanding of salvation and the Protestant understanding of salvation. For the Protestant salvation is chiefly acceptance of Christ and a return to an "eden state" of friendship with God. For a Catholic and the Orthodox salvation is not this simplistic. Rather salvation is a return to the eden state via baptism and they going beyond it through theosis to union with God.

For the Catholic and Orthodox, the sacrifice of Calvary opens the door to returning to the eden state, to the removal of sins. There is the saying from St. Augustine "The God who created thee without thee will not save thee without thee". This is taken to mean that, though grace always proceeds, an individual's choice and actions are fundamental to their eternal destiny.

As salvation is not purely a return to an eden state, but a transcendence of such, salvation consists of more than just being forgiven of ones sins. The individual who lives a virtuous and sinless life after being baptized but also "work out his salvation in fear and trembling" as St. Paul says. Or as Christ says "become perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect." This calls for activity on the part of the individual and a "transformation in christ" or as St Paul says a "putting on of Christ".

Indulgences are understood to be a way of applying the merits (that is the grace that God gives to people as they become transformed in Christ) to other people. Just as Christ applied the grace received from the sacrifice of calvary to restore us to God, we can also apply the grace received from our "carrying of our crosses" to other people. In this way, we become more like Christ by not taking the grace for our own selves but giving it to other for their salvation and sanctification. Therefore we can say that it is fundamental to the Christian life to self-sacrifice for others.

The Catholic Church, as the Body of Christ and the Mystical Bride of Christ has control over the graces won by Christ as well as the graces won by individuals who have given those graces to the Church for the up building and salvation of others. Therefore, the Church has the ability, as Christ has the ability, to give out grace IN ACCORDANCE with the will of the Father and as moved by the Holy Spirit.

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Answer 10

The Catholics use to give money to get their loved ones out of hell. No place in the Bible does it talk about doing this. It seems like man is taking power that does not belong to him.