If the West Bank were to be a Provisional State, would Israel absorb all the settlements into Israel?

Question

would it remove all 250,000 settlers and their settlements so that the West Bank could completely govern themselves?

Thank you Ultra for your reply, but plz explain "How" can a government rule itself if it falls under another rule? Thanx.

As long as the settlements are in the West Bank the Israeli rule will be there, so "how" can they have the chance to proove themselves?

Gamla Joe would you like to absorb all of the Palestinian population into Israel? Maybe that's why they wish to have the settlements out? Food for thought.

Answer 1

Israel will not abandon it's hilltop fortress settlements....No Way.

Nor its 27 Jew only Roads ( and more coming soon) or it's Berlin wall cutting of Palestinians from their humble farms, olive groves, Hospitals, Schools, Work places and RELATIVES even.

There will continue to be Checkpoints everywhere and the West Bank will remain under Occupation by Israel.

The Palestinians will be given small, scattered enclaves with no connection to each not under Jewish control..

The armed and heavily protected settlements will certainly stay....And tho Israel made a token show of removing a few settlers in Gaza...They mostly remain...

Meanwhile they have demolished 1000s of Palestinian homes often with the residents still inside.

Answer 2

Gamla Joe- You can't be serious! Would you want to welcome the people who have stolen your land and subjugated and humiliated you as your fellow citizens just because they have some skills!!!!

Anyway, those settlers will never agree to become part of a Palestinian state in any case. What will happen is exactly what the zionists planned for. They will claim overwhelming demographic superiority in this place and that place. Then they will say it is "unfeasible" for these areas to be part of the new state. That was their plan all along.

They knew they would have to negotiate the surrender of the land one day, so they planned on changing the facts on the ground as much as possible to build their case for annexation. They will say let by-gones be by-gones, it's too late to evacuate the major settlements and all that. That is why they have thus far only offered up a patchwork of Palestinian ghettos as a "state".

To do otherwise is too painful for them. A self-inflicted wound, I'd say. They may choose this, or the slow bleed brought on by Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Fatah.

The most pragmatic solution is a land swap of some sort, but it's hard to be pragmatic in the face of violence.

EDIT: Thank you for your comments, Gamla Joe. I am doing some research into your statements. I found this which addresses your claim that no land is stolen from the Palestinians and I will look for more articles in the subject as well as your other point about settlers wanting to live in a Palestinian state. I'm quite shocked by this contention. By all accounts that I have read, that couldn't be further from the truth, but it is something I will look into.

I would make one further comment before I continue looking into these issues. You and I as Americans most likely share the same values of decency and fairplay that most Americans do. What I think many American Jews fail to realize is that their conception of Judaism is understood in the context of a "civil religion" that we all share. Of course, the same is true for Americans of other faiths as well.

My point is, many of your Israeli brethren do not share these same values. They do not believe that an Arab is entitled to his land for the same reasons that you or I are entitled to our land (i.e. through purchase or historical ownership). They believe that what matters is what is in their idea of Israel's national interest and nothing else. Fair play and human rights do not always or even often fit into the equation.

I do not believe from the sound of you that you would support an Arab having his land wantonly confiscated from him, but that is what has happened and is continuing to happen in the OT (as well as inside Israel) as you will read in this article.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1316/is_n5_v25/ai_13786320

http://gbgm-umc.org/NWO/99so/israel.html#land

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2003/10/01/isrlpa6417.htm

http://www.ap-agenda.org/nasser/nasser3.htm

http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/rwb.nsf/db900sid/HMYT-6PQSMX?OpenDocument

http://www.poica.org/editor/case_studies/view.php?recordID=771

And wonder of wonders, I actually found a poll of settlers in the West Bank! It's full of interesting stuff on settlers' attitudes.

http://www.pcpsr.org/survey/cprspolls/95/setpoll1.html

Answer 3

"Provisional State" is another funny term that is invented in order not to give any meaning to what they want to do!! The 'israelis' have been claiming that they accepted the UN resolution to divide Palestine in the 40's but the Palestinians didn't.. They fail to remember that a) what they have now is much more than what was allocated to them, and b) they have breached dozens of UN resolutions and continue to do that.

By international law, the settlements in the West Bank are all illegal and thus they should be removed. It doesn't matter whether they are absorbed in the land of Israel declared in 1948, or they would go back to their original home countries. They are illegal and they must go.

Peace/salam.

Answer 4

I find it amusing that Palestinian supporters demand that the settlers be expelled from any future Palestinian state.

Israel has managed to exist with a significant Arab/Palestinian minority since its creation. While I will admit it has not been perfect, poll after poll shows that Israeli Arabs prefer to live under the current Israeli government than any future Palestinian state.

Israeli settlers are better educated than the average Palestinian and would be an asset to any future economy.

It is beyond me why they would not want to absorb them.

Muslim by choice--
First off the land was not stolen, Every settlement was built on uninhabited land. That is a fact, no one was thrown out of their homes to build the settlements.

Second, if you dont think the settlers would be willing to be loyal citizens of a Palestinian state why dont you ask them?
The settlers connection is spiritual, not political. For most they do not care who is in charge as long as they are free to live and worship in a place that has so much significance to them.

I can tell you as an American Jew I would gladly move to a Palestinian state and be a loyal citizen if I would be granted basic freedoms. I am unwilling on the other hand to place myself in a situation where I can be thrown out because I belong to the wrong group, and I do not think I am alone in this.


HopelessZ00---
I personally advocate the absorption of the Palestinians into Israeli society, provided that they are willing to take a oath of loyalty, just like my parents did when they immigrated to America. If they are unwilling to do that then they should seek their own state or move to a place where they will be loyal citizens.

Answer 5

I think Israel would do what it did two-and-a-half years ago: Remove the settlements.

Answer 6

Israel does not want Peace. Why would they. They would have to give up too much land which they now illegaly occupy.

Actually to be fair the whole of Israel/Palestine is illegally occupied by them...OK the UN allowed it because the UK and US wanted it but what about the Palestinians..

It's there country.

But the Palestinians are only asking for the jews to give them back 22%....Israel gets to keep 78% but it's not enough. They want it all....Because God Promised it to them..

So they practise Ethnic cleansing and Genocide Sanctioned by God...and people think Moslems are Extreme..

Answer 7

Eventually it might remove the settlers - but lets see if they can handle control the limited areas they have- if they can't control limited areas how can they be expected to handle a larger area - Israel has no desire to be another Lebanon - what a mess that country is.

Good Luck!!!