Away "with" the Manger - what are your thoughts of schools abolishing christian tradition?

Question

I think its a disgrace. This is a christian country and thus other religions should follow customs here or at least respect the christmas period for what it is and has been for centuries.

I hardly think many other countries would "adopt" other religions or embrace and alter their own would they?

Just another typical example of the christians taking a bashing

Moira - if all religions should be allowed to express their religions - then you have answered my question and contradicted yourself

Whether people believe its a christian country or not - it does not mean that Christianity should be abolished.

Another tactic of that old devil that people just never want to see!!

We all want world peace - but it aint never gonna happen!

Answer 1

I think it's yet another step toward HELL!! We need something comforting and hopeful especially for our kids. I sure ain't talking about decorating yards! Just like the rights of so many others, our own children can't be taught to be simple & godly so to speak, to be honest and live sorta of right anyway, cause they have had there given right taken from them.. All the unnecessary stuff no days, we need to go back in time t a simpler way.!!! Today they are thrust into the world of bite before being bitten, always watch your back, if your shoved just keep your mouth shut. No wonder there are so many young people going crazy shooting people, they didn't know god or love, just shuffled around probably cause there parents only knew the same thing. You see it has been going on to long, it's all young people know now. We need to do something now!!! So who is really wrong? Growing up & LIVING without God was not the plan!! Years ago things were so simple, work hard, go to church on Sunday, give thanks for the blessings they have, help others when they can, live & let live, but ow its just crazy! No body knows what direction to go. Chaos everywhere, and you think that is a better world????? IT'S ALL GONE HAYWIRE, As you can see the world is sliding farther & farther in the big black hole everyday! Frankly it scares me!!!! I'm sick of hearing about everybody else's right for no prayer in schools. They are just trying to exert there power, just for the point of it. Well what about our rights, the people whom know right from wrong? I say if you don't want to your children & yourself to hear it, then don't come there! Open your own anti god school or something that way everybody is happy.... It needs to be put back in our schools before it is to late... I don't know where the rest of you anti god folks are going, you can go to hell if you want to, but the rest of us aren't no matter what you say or try to do!.

Answer 2

News flash, no doubt for the umpteenth time: This is NOT a Christian country. This is a country where the founders decided that the government had absolutely NO role in matters of faith, which has allowed America to enjoy the rich spiritual traditions that exist today. Government entities, such as public schools, are required to show the same level of neutrality in regard to all faiths, neither favoring nor discriminating against any one.

Can you honestly tell me that, after seeing the consequences of state-endorsed religion in Europe (wars, burnings, etc.), and having just liberated themselves from a monarch who was also the head of the Church of England, the founding fathers decided "That worked out pretty well for them, let's have more of that."?

You complain of Christians "taking a bashing"? Maybe you should have a talk with a Rwandan Tutsi or an Iraqi Kurd before you cry too loudly about persecution. After all, they experienced the real thing, and you're just complaining about not getting special treatment.

Answer 3

This is NOT only a Christian country. Most founders were theists (or agnostics) despite erroneous comments by some religious ideologues.

You think Christianity is taking a bashing? Then you obviously haven't understood that atheists are not permitted to hold public office in some states. And you obviously don't appreciate that many other people are forced to endure your Christian hatred expressed towards them for not believing as you do. Christians are not being bashed; it's the other way around. I challenge you to open your eyes as well as your heart, if you really take the concept of Christianity seriously.

Answer 4

1. I think its good.

2. Only arrogant American Christians claim such idiotic crap. Your country is NOT a "Christian Country" and you bloody people have forgotten what it is that your ancestors fought and died for. They didn't fight and die for Christianity, they fought and died for FREEDOM. Get over your arrogant selves. Its old.

3. NO ONE has to give up their religion, or their religious practices, just because your prejudices want them to. The world doesn't work that way, especially in a nation that espouses freedom, and equality, above all else from a history torn by idiots with your type of thinking.

4. YOU need to learn respect for OTHERS. Christmas is a bastardized Pagan holiday. So how about YOU start learning respect for all the Pagans out there?

5. No one is altering their religion except that you are being told that YOU have to learn to accept others, that you don't have the right to have "special treatment" and that you have to accept equality in a nation thats a "melting pot" of all peoples.

You are just another typical example of the prejudice, hatred, descrimination, arrogance, and utter closed mindedness of the Christian Americans.

Answer 5

Here's another of the "christian nation" crapola.

Dear, this is NOT a christian nation. We have no official religion. The Founders were very careful to keep christianity OUT of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. The first amendment guarantees freedom of religion. It doesn't say freedom of christian religion. Jefferson made sure of that - because the christians of the day wanted christianity and Jesus included in the verbiage; Jefferson, Madison and others said "NO WAY". Most of the Founders found christians to be an annoying bunch of intolerant people. Read here:
Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.

-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

---and---

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823



-- To truly believe that the United States is a "christian country" denies the fact that we are a nation of immigrants from every country in the world - most of whom have differenct beliefs and many with no beliefs. To believe that being christian means superiority over the citizens of this nation is childish...and untrue.

Read what Jefferson has to say about the bible and your religion:

The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

He also defines that our country is NOT a christian nation here:

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

This is the land of the free...we are free to believe how we want to believe. Your christian religion belongs in your home and church....not in public.. If you want a manger scene - put one in your own yard.... it doesn't belong in the public arena....

This freedom is what separates us from Theocratic countries around the world where religion is the law of the land, leaders are religious leaders, government is run by religious leaders, laws and justice decided by religious leaders and religious texts are required reading in schools.

Most of these countries are in the Middle East where nobody has any rights at all....and one can be jailed and executed for not believing and following the laws laid out my the Imams and Ayatollahs.

That ain't America, sweetie.

Answer 6

Actually, out of respect for the fact that American is a diverse population and that we separate "church and state" a public school should teach students to be strong patriotic citizen's and respect those boundaries and let people decorate their own yards and homes however they want. Do you want the schools to start decorating for every student's possible religion? How would you feel if the school decorated for Muslim holidays and closed down just because some students are not Christian?

Answer 7

First, let me play a sad song for you.

Done.

Second, this country was not founded on Christianity; it was founded on religious freedom. I'm Wiccan and I don't ask for adaptations of any kind. All I really want is for others to stop trying to convert those of other religions when they know little to nothing about said other religions.

Answer 8

I completely agree- the manger should not be removed. Did you know that in northern Calif. There is school that for one month out of the year, has the children live like the Muslims to learn their traditions, so what is wrong with having a Manger in the school , or speak the name of Christ? I think I may know this answer- Satan will do anything to make the truth not known- however I can tell ya, who wins!

Answer 9

I have mixed emotions because Jesus was not born December 25th and could it be that these icons are a form of idol worship and since Dec 25th is Pagan celebrations such as yule and solstice and also the commercial use etc: is having other God's

Jesus said "blessed is He who should not be offended in me"
There is no doubt there is anti-Christ spirits but they can't take our faith away~

Answer 10

You must not be in the United States, a nation founded on religious tolerance and freedom of religion from government enforcement.

Just another typical example of the Christians wanting special rights and whining persecution when they don't get them.

Answer 11

Let the atheists win the battle for public schools, honey. Put your kids in a religious school. Christian schools are not the ones whose students are getting shot dead by disturbed kids with no foundation in morals or faith. Christian schools are not the ones with more drugs than books in the students' lockers. Nor are their female students prone to getting pregnant 2 or 3 times before graduation.

By all means, get God the heck OUT of the public school system! Let's keep Him safe with us who believe in and love Him!