Does Sin hurt God?

Question

This is for those of you who are Christians. If you're not don't bother answering. Don't be rude, and respect my wishes. I'm not mindless, I simply believe differently. I wish you the best.

For those of you who are Christians I was reading and watching some comments from other Christians on random issues. I found a random comment that says Sin hurts God. We hurt God? That kinda caught me off guard. Is that right? ( and please use scripture.) Sin separates us from God, and I understand that. But I've heard people say this a lot. I even remember a song that says, " does he still feel the nails every time I fail".

Personally, my current opinion is that, that is hog wash. Sin hurts us. If Jesus already died and took our sins and returned victorious then why would he "feel the nails" again? Isn't that like Moses hitting the rock twice? And, isn't more blatant that God hates sin, so sin angers him (not hurts him). BUT I could be wrong.

Yes I'm aware that Jesus took the pain for our sins. BUT I don't think that he received more or less suffering for the number of sins. Regardless of the number of sins commented, on Day of Atonement the same amount of blood was brought into the holies of holies. Isn't the truth that Jesus' blood is what covered our sins, and not his pain?

It is true our savior was in much pain, but He died for our atonement. If our sins are atoned for then why do we make such a big deal to preach about sin? Shouldn't we put away condemnation and rejoice that nothing can breach the atonement of the blood of Jesus?

If Jesus is alive, now, why would he still be feeling the pain of the cross? And if he defeated our sin, why would he feel pain in our faults? It is written we all have sinned and have fallen short of the Glory of God. Are we to believe Jesus is in agony over every sin we commit?

Isaiah I hear you loud and clear.

But it remains true that the atonement of sins came with Jesus. Our sins are now atoned for. And, if we are saved and have repentance, and we have atonement, and no condemnation... well Why would it hurt God when I sin?

Also the word used for grieve there in the concordance does not just mean pain. It also means vex... which means anger. That word could very well mean that God was regreted he made man, and he was vexed to his heart.

Lexicon Results for `atsab (Strong's H6087)
Hebrew for H6087

1) to hurt, pain, grieve, displease, vex, wrest

a) (Qal) to hurt, pain

b) (Niphal) to be in pain, be pained, be grieved

c) (Piel) to vex, torture

d) (Hiphil) to cause pain

e) (Hithpael) to feel grieved, be vexed

Let me be clear. While the reference has a connection to anger, it has no connection to sorrow, and God is not a man that he would be physically hurt.

I hate to expand on but the word greif, as I explained, is not the word greif as we mean in English. As I said before it has no ties to "sorrow" but to instead to anger here's a link to the concordance: http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H06087&Version=kjv

I should be clear I'm looking for sorrow or evidence that our sin injures God in some way. I'm sure it annoys him, and burns in his gut. He is righteous. But the idea that "We hurt God when we sin." it seems arrogant. Where are some examples of God crying? And what did he cry about?

Clipt you did EXACTLY what I don't want people to do. Not to call you out lol. But seriously you rationalized it without the use of scripture. Yes God is our father but the Bible clearly says his thoughts are not our thoughts, nor are our ways his ways. So you can't put it in those terms. God is his word. Tell me what you know about him.

mjbrightergem33- thank you for your answer I'm glad you took the time. I'm hoping this doesn't seem like debating because it's not. I'm just matching the Word with the Word to see what shakes loose.

The thing is the sacrifice Jesus made IS enough. His Grace IS enough, and God knows this. He is grieved (angered and vexed) by sin, but hurt? He knows all, he sits in eternity. But, he sits in victory. The Bible tells us that we will have victory in our lives where ever we go. (even when it doesn't seem like it.) I ask, If he knows this, then why would it cause him sorrow that some who will be saved sin today?

Diane D.

Why do you think his anger is second to his pain? I know I did mention the word used in each of those passages refers to "vexed" as well as pain. When I think of it I tend to imagine the way I feel when I see an injustice done. Burning up inside. EVERY example of rebellion or sin in the Bible brings the result of God being vexed. Before the flood, when Moses received the 10 commandments. repeatably in Judges, and within the books of the prophets. Even with Jesus when he turned over the tables in the tabranacle.

Still, the streets were filled with sinners and those who would betray Jesus and He healed them all. No tears, no sorrow no hurt. And even on the cross the most pain Jesus felt was the seperation from God.

This is in theory with my thoughts that Sin hurts US (people) not God. God wants us all to come home, but when does he ever weep for our leaving? In what scripture does he woe over one who sins? ( reminding again none of the scripture given so far refer to sorrow

That Attonement (Jesus' death on the cross) is not in standing in your life. You have voided the covenant.

WHAT???
Now now. That is something I without a doubt rebuke. The Lord's covenant can NOT be voided in me. I am the DAUGHTER of CHrist. HIS BLOOD WILL ALWAYS stand in the place of my sins. Know this, that none of us are righteous and not one is holy in comparison of God. Not one of us deserves salvation, saved or not and each of us DESERVES the fate of sinners because we have each sinned and we may fall again. But I can turn from my ways and repeat and THERE IS grace enough for me. I don't have to be perfect because HE WAS. And, the Atonement stands when I can not. THAT IS WHY he died for ME.

Be slow to say such things. You have no idea what my standing with Gos is. That relationship is both personal and scared. It is a dangerous thing to speak idly about one who is a child of God.

kev_is_in

First of all you must understand I'm not advocating sin. I'm advocating truth, not at all saying that my opinion must be correct, but discussing the scriptures to see what applies and what does not. Sin is not good. But I don't think it is a force to reckon with God. After all, God is God. It is hard for me to imagine him "hurt" in feelings or in being by sin. It is the statement that "Sin hurts God" baffles me. The scriptures clearly state:

Isaiah 55
8 ¶ For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my aways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

What you referred to was a conversation by letter that was dealing with the revelation the Lord had given in the letter. It does not apply to anything we say, because not all Christians are wise in words or thoughts.

Continued to Kev:
MT 25:1 "At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them.

you see the Kingdom of God isn't filled with the wise. There are a lot of examples in the Bible who are " IN THE KINGDOM" who are not wise.

God is wise and the mind of Christ is a mind of wisdom, but you can't receive it just by saying a prayer, you have to seek it. You have to hunger and thirst after righteousness those will be the ones who are filled. To do that you can't just say what sounds right without knowing that you know that, that is what God said. In my studies so far, I have not seen God in my Bible weeping over our sins. Not once.

Again Kev, Go has revealed wisdom to our spirit man, but let us be clear. We gain access to our Spirit man by the Holy Spirit, which is the Spirit of God in us. In order to be walking in that wisdom we must be walking in the Spirit and forgoing the "thoughts and logic" of man and trusting in the Lord, and His power and authority on Earth.

1Cr 2:4 And my speech and my preaching [was] not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

1Cr 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

1Cr 2:10 But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

I used the same scriptures you did but it was simply to point out that if we are walking in the thoughts of man, then well we are not walking in the mind of Christ.

Look I'm just saying. God hates sin. It angers him. Does it cause him sorrow? Scripturally so far I've gotten nothing to claim that beyond the verses I pointed out referred to being vexed.. other than the assumption that "He must feel sad because we do." While we were made in his image, our minds have some work to do. our emotional reaction isn't Biblically His.

To me it seems saying Sin hurts God gives it some kind of authority to "effect" God. But God judges Sin, and blesses obedience. He is the authority to both. We hurt ourselves when we sin. Jesus gave himself willfully. He would of done it if I were the only sinner in the world. It was out of love not obligation to feel pain. We are saved by his blood, not by his suffering. I worry that we give Sin way to much credit for something that the Bible says He defeated.

Answer 1

hopefully

Answer 2

Check out Genesis 6:5-6
God saw man's evil and was grieved. His heart was filled with pain.

Luke 19:41-44 Jesus wept over Jerusalem

Isaiah 1:2-4

Jeremiah 2:1- 4:4

Hosea all It's an analogy of God being Israel's husband. Israel sinned and committed 'adultery'. Ask any spouse whose partner has committed adultery. It hurts!
This adultery analogy is used a lot by the prophets.

Ezekiel chapter 20 speaks of rebellious Israel. Any parent who has had a rebellious child knows the pain.

Just look an the analogies used in the Bible when is addresses sin. They almost always describe a painful relationship.

Even in our human relationships we know that anger is most often a result of some sort of hurt or pain. I believe that God's anger is also secondary to his pain.

Answer 3

I try to think of God as my own father, as if he were my dad in the physical existence.

If I ever did something wrong and the consequences were bad, it would make my dad worry and he'd be concerned. If I did something that made me get hurt to the verge of dying, my dad would be inconsolable with grief.

When you become a parent one day, you'll feel the concern you have for your own children. It may be that on that day you will understand that the love you have for your child will be so great that you would want to protect them from any harm in existence in this world, even in this universe. However, if you're completely and everlastingly intervening, your children would never learn to take care of themselves and be productive adults, they'd lack self-confidence, and self-esteem.

God wants us to be good, and to succeed without making so many mistakes along the way because it grieves him to see us suffer when we fail.

I hope that makes your understanding of God's pain a little more personal than seeing it as just being a metaphor.

Edit:

It took a second look to get what you meant. Your question is a little misleading. You should have clearly stated that God and Jesus Christ don't feel any PHYSICAL PAIN rather than phrasing the question as if you don't believe sinning is bad.

Then I agree with you that they don't feel physical pain, as in Jesus Christ still feeling the impact of the nails in his hands for our sins.

However, I still stand by my simile of God being like our own father. Since both are living beings, and God - to some - is an abstract concept, it is appropriate to personify his form in character as a father. As a living being, he does and can have a sense of emotion for his creations.

For you to dismiss that as evidence means you either did not state your opinion thoroughly or you are misinterpreting what I've said.

John 3: 16-17
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

If you say he is capable of anger, and this scriptural reference states he shows love...do you not think he is capable of feeling anything else and empathizing...or is he just a being with only two emotions?

Answer 4

Hosea 6:7- But they themselves, like earthling man, have overstepped the covenant. There is where they have dealt treacherously with me

Psalm 78: 38-41 But he was merciful; he would cover the error and not bring ruin. And many times he made his anger turn back, And he would not rouse up all his rage. And he kept remembering that they were flesh, That the spirit is going forth and does not come back. How often they would rebel against him in the wilderness, They would make him feel HURT in the desert! And again and again they would put God to the test, And they PAINED even the Holy One of Israel.

Isaiah 63:10- But they themselves rebelled and made his holy spirit feel HURT. He now was changed into an enemy of theirs; he himself warred against them

Answer 5

Our sin does not cause God physical pain. It causes HIm emotional pain on many levels. We hurt ourselves when we sin and that causes God grief.

As far as the "nails every time" - no, that's incorrect.

Sin is a hindrance to our relationship with God and since God loves us so much, He hates for us to be further separated from Him. Since He is the only Good thing in this universe - if we're drifting away from HIm - then what exactly are we drifting towards?

Answer 6

I answer you from the heart. God loves the sinner but hates the sin.

It is my firm belief God has the capacity to feel all things. I believe this because Christ and God are one:

John 14:10 (New International Version)

10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

Answer 7

I don't have any scriptures to back me up on this because it's late and I don't want to go find my bible, but here goes.
Jesus took upon him the sins of the world, right? So that means that he felt every sin we've ever committed. He's felt our guilt and our betrayal. He felt it from everyone who existed before him and after him---including us. (This happened in the Garden of Gethsemane.) So that means that every time you sin, it's just one more thing he had to suffer for you, causing him to bleed from every pore.
I think it's a weird way to look at sin, that it hurts God, but I guess it's true.

Answer 8

IT is interesting that that the Bible talks about Jesus in eternity and mentions the "wounds" in His hands, not the scars. He purchased eternal life with and eternal payment.

Zechariah 13:6 "And one will say to him, `What are these wounds between your arms?' Then he will say, `Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.'

1 Peter 2:24 and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.

Another interesting verse. Hebrews 10:29 How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?

Answer 9

Sin doesn't hurt God. but God is grieved by it.

God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.
God just turns His face from you when you sin... He cannot look upon it. but that is what hurts us, the body of Christ. as Christians when we sin it grieves the Holy Spirit and causes division between us and God. that cannot be mended until we confess that sin and turn from it. sin hurts only us in the long run, it can result in a hardened heart that is no longer listening to what the Spirit is saying.

Answer 10

In your mind, does grief count as hurt?

Gen 6:5 ¶ And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually.


Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
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Answer 11

aww dear one i sence a sensitivity in u and this question.. it is an admeable one too .. i also admired the fact that u are inquiring and have an open mind to a answer .
i ember that song too the nails in his hands its from third day if i am not mistaken and yes athiest i too remember that song from long ago it hurts so good too! its both in actuality it angers GOD and it hurts him..
IT HURTS GOD in this that the ones he created choose to ignore him,,
the ones also that call themselves his people alsso dont follow his light his way.
IT hurts GOD that christians use their freedom to reject his laws of love too. IT HURTS CHRIST in a way that his sacrifice for our sins isnt enough to draw them too him'

it hurts christ WHEN EVEN A SPARROW FALSSTO THE GROUND ,, CREATION is his act and he cares enough to number the very hairs on our head and when they fallout doesnt he know about it??
david sayed he was fearfully and wondersly knit together fashioned in his mothers womb it was no secret event . death to then is not what GOD wants.
in ezekial he pleads for wicked ones toleave their sin he ststes i have no pleasure in your death turn from your sins so u can live ,,
FACT God wants everyone to be with him fiction, he doesnt know who will or will not accept him..! just because he knows already doesnt mean he doesnt care, hestill pleads with all mankind . he gets zelous for those that are his and it causes him anger to see them hurt it also causes him anger when they fail to obey him, he even sent an angel to kill moses when moses failed to circumcise his son as he was directed too... zipporah his wife did it on the road so her husband would not be killed .. ,, i think to her it was just a bloody act she hadnt known of the spiritual aspects of what the lord had asked ,,. still refusal to obey causes consequences and we are not to wait till.. we feel the need ..
, dont u feel pain when those u love hurt u> we even have selfish anger like jonah when he was angry with GOD over letting niveanah a wicked city he hated , survive making him look like a fals prophet and even angrier when a plant that sprouted up over night to potect him from the hot sun also witherd and died ,, hehehe !! we get angry and hurt over little things dont we?? GODS ANGER gods hurt is far different than what we can put in our words ,,
think about it ,, bro murray