Jehovah Witnesses Do you really believe Jesus is the Angel Michael?

Question

Do you not know that we shall judge angels? 1 Corinthians 6:3
Do you really think you will judge Jesus? Do you really think you can judge who your salvation is through?
Jesus was God in the flesh.
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES
-- the Jesus of the Bible cannot be
another "god" because God says
there is only ONE - Isa. 43:10-11
-- the Jesus of the Bible cannot be
an angel, he is contrasted against
the angels - Heb. 1:3-8
-- Jesus is not a creation, but the
Creator... the word "other" has been
inserted four times in this passage
of the JW "bible" - Col. 1:16-17

Answer 1

They believe it in face of all the evidence against it. They will not believe unless God opens their eyes.


EDIT: "Papa" below talks about the voice of an archangel. He forgets it also says He has the trump of God. So if having the voice of an angel makes Him an angel what does having the trump of God make Him?

Answer 2

I accept that Jesus and Michael the Archangel are the same person. Your statement is also correct that they are one, in the basic meaning that they are in agreement with one another, but because they are two names for the same person, they would have to be one.

The three main Scriptural reasons why Jehovah's Witnesses believe this are:

1) The word "Archangel" means chief of the angels, and only Jesus (along with his Father) is said to command the angels in the Holy Scriptures.(Revelation 12:7)

2) In the Holy Scriptures, the word "archangel" is always singular. and neither tradition nor religious doctrine has the authority of the Holy Scriptures (Jude 9)

3) Jesus Christ is specifically and singularly named as one with the voice (meaning authority) of an archangel.in the Holy Scriptures. (1 Thessalonians 4:16)

There are a lot of names that Jehovah and Jesus Christ have in common - lord, savior, etc. But Jesus' God and Father is Jehovah, according to the Holy Scriptures, and that plus Jesus' direct words and the Greek text definitively knocks any trinity doctrine, in its many forms, out of the realm of truth.


Any reference to scholars in no way gives any human the authority to decide who Michael the Archangel is - our first reference is to the Holy Scriptures, which is primary, and which is beneficial "to set things straight" about things relating to God. (2 Timothy 3:16)

Jesus is unique, and important to our salvation. He is the only way to salvation (John 14:6, Acts 4:12) He also has many names, relating to his many roles. Michael the archangel relates to his role as one who challenges anyone who claims to be like God, because that is what the name means ("Who is like God"). That name also relates to his authority over the angels, which represent awesome power - in one night one angel destroyed an entire human army of 185,000 Assyrians. (Isaiah 37:36).

We can acknowledge Jesus' many roles in Jehovah's purpose without imagining that we are lessening him in any way.
Source(s):
Michael the Archangel http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003035

Answer 3

Yes, of course the Angels will be judged.

Does this apply to Jesus Christ? No, because he was the only angel given the authority to judge.

Revelation 20:4
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been GIVEN THE AUTHORITY TO JUDGE. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Based on the scriptures, the only ones that are able to judge is God, Jesus and the anointed Christians. They will judge everything thats under God, and this includes the angels too.

So, If Jesus was GIVEN the authority to judge, that means he was never God.

Is Jesus another god? Based on Psalms 138:1 angels are called "gods." So, was David wrong and calling them that?

What you're not getting is that Jesus was given authority over the angels, and thats why they bowed down to him. If he is the Chief of Angels, he has authority over them. Also everything was made through Jesus not by him. Col. can be translated to through him, but a better translation will be other, since Jesus is the first of Gods creation - Revelation 3:14. Also, if you take a look at Proverbs Chapter 8, Jesus was the worker of the creation, not the creator.



Edge:

Edge, that didn't make any sense whatsoever. Jesus having the God's trumpet means he has the trumpet, not that he is God. Theres a major difference in having a voice of something and a object of something.

Answer 4

The Bible tells us in Hebrews Chapter 1 that Jesus Christ is greater than the prophets. It also tells us that Jesus is Greater than the Angels. No Jesus is not an angel. The angels worship him and praise him, and honor him, and glorify him as Their God and creator. come to think of it Christians could learn a lot from the angels. Let everything that hath breath Praise The Lord! Christians we are failing in our worship and praise and honor. We can do better,we should do better. Hey! lets try to do better. After all he is worthy.

Answer 5

Edge makes a very good point. Is it logical to assume that by making a noise like a archangel that necessarily makes you one. Of course it does not. Jesus is not a created creature but the creator. The Bible tells us to not worship any created being and at the same time we are to worship Jesus.

(Rev 5:13 DRB) And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard all saying: To him that sitteth on the throne and to the Lamb, benediction and honour and glory and power, for ever and ever.

(Rev 5:14 DRB) And the four living creatures said: Amen. And the four and twenty ancients fell down on their faces and adored him that liveth for ever and ever.


In Christ
Fr. Joseph

TeeM,

Your quote of Justin Martyr is incomplete. What you left out was that the quote actually is refuting Arianism and not supporting it as you state. He states quite clearly that this is the Greek view instead of his view in the full context of his statement.

Dr. Martin Werner was also quoted out of context. He previously stated that there was NO Trinitarian problem with the early Church that suggested an Arian view prior to the heresies of Arius and his followers. The Council of Nicaea was called to put to rest this false teaching and heresy and the problem of Arianism was settled and those who followed these beliefs were found in anathema forever.

Answer 6

My understanding is they think the Archangel Michael & Jesus are one and the same. But it has been a long time since I looked at there material in depth.

Answer 7

Good scriptures

A prayer for all who know Jesus - or are searching for meaning - purpose and truth

Open the eyes of our hearts Lord
open the eyes of our hearts
we want to see you
we want to see you
To see You high and lifted up
shining in the light of Your glory
pour out Your power and love
as we sing Holy, Holy, Holy


Yeshua Hameshia
Our God Reigns

Answer 8

I won't touch on lines of reasoning already mentioned here but I will remind you all that angel simply can mean "messenger." King David himself was said to be like an angel. There are different kinds of messengers and a spirit angel that once served Jehovah can have the choice of disobeying and becoming a different kind of angel, or "messenger."

Answer 9

Who Is Michael the Archangel?

THE spirit creature called Michael is not mentioned often in the Bible. However, when he is referred to, he is in action. In the book of Daniel, Michael is battling wicked angels; in the letter of Jude, he is disputing with Satan; and in Revelation, he is waging war with the Devil and his demons. By defending Jehovah’s rulership and fighting God’s enemies, Michael lives up to the meaning of his name—“Who Is Like God?” But who is Michael?

At times, individuals are known by more than one name. For example, the patriarch Jacob is also known as Israel, and the apostle Peter, as Simon. (Genesis 49:1, 2; Matthew 10:2) Likewise, the Bible indicates that Michael is another name for Jesus Christ, before and after his life on earth. Let us consider Scriptural reasons for drawing that conclusion.

Archangel. God’s Word refers to Michael “the archangel.” (Jude 9) This term means “chief angel.” Notice that Michael is called the archangel. This suggests that there is only one such angel. In fact, the term “archangel” occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural. Moreover, Jesus is linked with the office of archangel. Regarding the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 states: “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice.” Thus the voice of Jesus is described as being that of an archangel. This scripture therefore suggests that Jesus himself is the archangel Michael.

Army Leader. The Bible states that “Michael and his angels battled with the dragon . . . and its angels.” (Revelation 12:7) Thus, Michael is the Leader of an army of faithful angels. Revelation also describes Jesus as the Leader of an army of faithful angels. (Revelation 19:14-16) And the apostle Paul specifically mentions “the Lord Jesus” and “his powerful angels.” (2 Thessalonians 1:7; Matthew 16:27; 24:31; 1 Peter 3:22) So the Bible speaks of both Michael and “his angels” and Jesus and “his angels.” (Matthew 13:41) Since God’s Word nowhere indicates that there are two armies of faithful angels in heaven—one headed by Michael and one headed by Jesus—it is logical to conclude that Michael is none other than Jesus Christ in his heavenly role.

Answer 10

Where does it say "God in the Flesh"

There is only one True God, but Paul and Isaiah says there are many gods.

Where does it say "Jesus can not be an angel'
Job 1:6 tells us all the angels are sons of the true God.
Heb 1:9 tells us His God anointed him above his partners (the other sons of God)

Jesus is not just an angel, he is the chief angel.

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“As we stated yesterday, Michael may mean an angel; but I embrace the opinion of those who refer this to the person of Christ, because it suits the subject best to represent him as standing forward for the defense of his elect people.” - John Calvin.

(See Calvin's writings online at http://www.ccel.org/c/calvin/comment3/comm_vol25/htm/vii.htm)

“Michael - Christ alone is the protector of his church, when all the princes of the earth desert or oppose it.” - John Wesley's commentary on Daniel 10:21.

(See Wesley's writings online at http://wesley.nnu.edu/john_wesley/notes/daniel.htm)

“a) The angel here notes two things: first that the Church will be in great affliction and trouble at Christ's coming, and next that God will send his angel to deliver it, whom he here calls Michael, meaning Christ, who is proclaimed by the preaching of the Gospel.” -

Geneva Bible Commentary. (See http://www.ccel.org/g/geneva/notes/Daniel/12.html)

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Who did the first century christians view Jesus?

“Justin [Martyr] taught that before the creation of the world God was alone and that there was no Son. . . . When God desired to create the world, . . . he begot another divine being to create the world for him. This divine being was called . . . Son because he was born; he was called Logos because he was taken from the Reason or Mind of God. . . 

In the book The Formation of Christian Dogma, Dr. Martin Werner says of the earliest understanding of the relationship of the Son to God:

“That relationship was understood unequivocally as being one of ‘subordination’, i.e. in the sense of the subordination of Christ to God. Wherever in the New Testament the relationship of Jesus to God, the Father, is brought into consideration, . . . it is conceived of and represented categorically as subordination. And the most decisive Subordinationist of the New Testament, according to the Synoptic record, was Jesus himself . . . This original position, firm and manifest as it was, was able to maintain itself for a long time. ‘All the great pre-Nicene theologians represented the subordination of the Logos to God.’”

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Col 1:16, -18

creation came through Jesus, the greek word through and by denote the act of a messenger, and not the source of.

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Answer 11

God’s Word refers to Michael “the archangel.” (Jude 9) This term means “chief angel.” Notice that Michael is called the archangel. This suggests that there is only one such angel. In fact, the term “archangel” occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural. Moreover, Jesus is linked with the office of archangel. Regarding the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 states: “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice.” Thus the voice of Jesus is described as being that of an archangel. This scripture therefore suggests that Jesus himself is the archangel Michael.

THE spirit creature called Michael is not mentioned often in the Bible. However, when he is referred to, he is in action. In the book of Daniel, Michael is battling wicked angels; in the letter of Jude, he is disputing with Satan; and in Revelation, he is waging war with the Devil and his demons. By defending Jehovah’s rulership and fighting God’s enemies, Michael lives up to the meaning of his name—“Who Is Like God?