Jehovah's Witnesses, if The Watchtower gave you new light saying "Jesus is homosexual" would you believe them?

Question

If the faithful and discreet said they found out Jesus was born as a homosexual, even though he was tempted and didn't commit any homosexual practices, therefore not sinning or being guilty of homosexuality, would you believe them?

JC -- Why not? Aren't you supposed to believe their teachings? Aren't they "truthful" and have the "correct interpretations?"

What if Jehovah's Witnesses said "no" if I had asked them about changing cross to "stake" before they claimed the cross to be pagan?

Their teachings change and they receive new light. Who's to say this won't be one? The question is WHAT IF?

Jehovah's Witnesses are quick to believe what the Watchtower teaches. They have changed their teachings numerous times. If a Jehovah's Witness doesn't believe the teachings, they are considered to have "apostate influences" and are threatened and eventually disfellowshipped.

The men of Sodom being resurrected has been changed many times. They will, they won't, they will....

Christmas is not pagan, Christmas is.
Jesus died on a cross, Jesus died on a stake.

What would make this "new light' any different? Since he didn't commit any homosexual sins, he's still considered perfect and sinless.

The Jehovah's Witnesses believe the faithful and discreet are the only ones who can interpret the Bible correctly. They have the truth that comes from Jehovah. If they made this statement, I'm sure 95% of JWs would be quick to accept it just like any other "new light" teaching.

UPDATE: JC

These new truths and secrets come in the last days. (Has your last days been happening since the past 40 years ago?) Your doctrine has changed many times over the past 60 years.

Also, what makes you think the new truths and secrets are for apostates? Your beliefs could change as well since you believe every other scripture is only talking about Jehovah's Witnesses (144,000), (faithful and discreet). Why change your doctrines Jesus is supposed to do it himself in the end times?

If Jesus never committed a homosexual act, but his sexuality was homosexual, would that make him a "detestable or unperfect" homosexual?

Is a liar a liar if he never lies? Is a theif a theif if he never steals?

I don't believe Jesus was. I'm just showing the stupidity of JWs belief in the Watchtower/Governing Body/Faithful and Discreet.
They'll believe anything they publish (if not you're then disfellowshipped and hated as an apostate).
They believe Jesus was Michael the archangel; and the end of the world will come in 1914, 1915, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1975 and even 1994.
If the Watchtower started teaching Jesus was homosexual, you better believe they will believe it, or else there'll be a lot of hated apostates.

Answer 1

No.

Jehovah's Witnesses embrace the teaching that seems best supported by Scripture, and believe the bible to be the only infallible inspired means of knowing divine truths.

Consider...

More than a century ago, Jehovah's Witnesses recognized the bible truths that hell is not hot, that the soul is not immortal, that God has a personal name, that Jesus is not Jehovah, that most humans will be resurrected as humans, and that God's Messianic Kingdom will restore paradise to earth and end the suffering of humankind.
http://watchtower.ca/e/jt/index.htm?article=article_03.htm

Amazingly, those ideas remain tightly and uniquely identified with Jehovah's Witnesses. Some enlightening regarding details has emerged in 130 years, but it is a silly exaggeration to pretend that significant teachings (such as those mentioned above) have been reversed.


It seems relevant to note that the critics of Jesus could have remarked that he advocated cannibalism, then retreated from that advocacy, then later advocated cannibalism again.

(John 6:51-56) I am the living bread that came down from heaven; if anyone eats of this bread he will live forever; and, for a fact, the bread that I shall give is my flesh in behalf of the life of the world.” 52 Therefore the Jews began contending with one another, saying: “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” 53 Accordingly Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, Unless YOU eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, YOU have no life in yourselves. 54 He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and I shall resurrect him at the last day; 55 for my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me. . .

(Matthew 26:26-28) [Jesus] said: “Take, eat. This means my body.” Also, he took a cup and, having given thanks, he gave it to them, saying: “Drink out of it, all of you; for this means my ‘blood


In any event, it seems rather obvious that ongoing bible research, as well as occasional advances in archeology and etymology, would result in refinements of one's understanding. That was true for Jesus' apostles and other early Christians, and it is true today.

In the first century CE, certain ideas took DECADES to resolve, even among men and women who walked with Christ Jesus. Even in the presence of Jesus, the idea of 'eating flesh and blood' stumbled some disciples (not outsiders, but disciples) who were unwilling to wait for the now-obvious answer (Jesus was simply speaking metaphorically).

After Jesus' impalement, sincere disciples were confused about whether Christianity should involve only Jews, or maybe only Jews and Samaritans, or maybe only these and circumcised Gentiles. There was confusion about using tongues within the congregation, about tolerating sin and "Jezebel", about when Jesus would "return", and about when Armageddon would arrive. Much of this confusion was quite public; even though the apostle Peter enjoyed tremendous privileges and direct communication from heaven, Peter seems to have been the source of an incorrect teaching "out among the brothers" that was perhaps not resolved until the apostle John wrote his Gospel more than 60 years later!

(John 6:61-68) Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were murmuring about this, said to them: “Does this stumble you? ...he went on to say: “This is why I have said to you, No one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” Owing to this many of his disciples went off to the things behind and would no longer walk with [Jesus].

(Acts 18:25-26) [Apollos] had been orally instructed in the way of Jehovah and, as he was aglow with the spirit, he went speaking and teaching with correctness the things about Jesus... When Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him into their company and expounded the way of God more correctly to him.

(John 21:21-23) Peter said to Jesus: “Lord, what will this man do [that is, the apostle John]?” Jesus said to him: “If it is my will for him to remain until I come, of what concern is that to you? You continue following me.” In consequence, this saying went out among the brothers, that [the apostle John] would not die. However, Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but: “If it is my will for him to remain until I come, of what concern is that to you?”


Does the bible support the idea that full knowledge would be instantly understood by everyone? No. Instead, the bible contains such reasonable ideas as these:

(1 Corinthians 13:12) For at present we see in hazy outline by means of a metal mirror, but then it will be face to face. At present I know partially, but then I shall know accurately even as I am accurately known.

(Daniel 8:16,17;12:4,9) [The voice] proceeded to call out and say: “Gabriel, make that one there understand the thing seen.” ..And he proceeded to say to me: “Understand, O son of man, that the vision is for the time of the end.” ...“And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of the end. Many will rove about, and the true knowledge will become abundant.” ...And he went on to say: “Go, Daniel, because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of the end.


For the most part, Jehovah's Witnesses consider their publications (such as 'The Watchtower') to present the official understanding of the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses. A baptized Witness may choose for himself whether he accepts or does not accept any teaching, and may freely discuss the reasons he believes differently with any elder or by means of correspondence with any branch office of Jehovah's Witnesses. Beyond that, when a baptized Witness begins to advocate his own teachings, then he himself is choosing to distance himself from his former religion. Jehovah's Witnesses consider apostasy to be a serious sin such as could result in disfellowshipping from the congregation.

Learn more:
http://watchtower.ca/e/jt/index.htm?article=article_02.htm
http://jw-media.org/beliefs/beliefsfaq.htm

Answer 2

First off, the Watchtower would never say such a thing. I'm not a Jehovah's Witness but even I know that much. If Jesus was tempted with homosexual thoughts and feelings (and I don't think he was) so what? We know that he didn't give heed to those temptations because he was the only man who never sinned a single time in his entire life. It might be nice for homosexuals to find out that Jesus was tempted by homosexual thoughts and feelings but did not give them any heed and thus overcame his inclination from sin in a remarkable example that all homosexuals could follow. I am not one to think that our behavior is determined by our carnal inclinations. Temptation is not sin, but giving in to temptation is! Anyway, the scriptures say: "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." (Hebrews 4:15.)

Christ is the greatest example for how a human should live. He taught and lived divine principles. Whether or not he was specifically tempted with homosexual thoughts or feelings doesn't really matter. For, "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." (1 Cor. 10:15.)

Answer 3

just because you would like to believe such filth doesn't mean it is/was so. Jesus NEVER SLEPT with ANYONE. AND if you read your bible you'll notice HE stated that homosexuality was a sin. He not you were perfect and had no reason to lie.
‘It is the viewpoint that is expressed here in the Bible. I believe that what it says is more important than any human opinion, because this gives us the thoughts of mankind’s Creator. (1 Cor. 6:9-11) You will notice that some of these who became Christians were formerly practicing homosexuality. But because of their love for God, and with the help of his spirit, they changed.’

‘In answering that, I might say that I’ve noticed that many who feel that no stigma should be attached to a homosexual life-style do not believe that the Bible is God’s Word. May I ask how you view the Bible?’ ‘Homosexuality is not an issue that is new. The Bible sets out Jehovah God’s unchanging viewpoint in very clear language. If the person expresses doubts about the existence of God or about the Bible, you could add: ‘If there were no God, we logically would not be accountable to him and so could live as we pleased. So the real question is, Is there a God and do I owe my existence to him [also, perhaps, Is the Bible inspired by God]?

Answer 4

As A Jehovahs witness.. i believe in the bible...

why do people think that we believe whatever someone tells us....

everything we believe in is right from the bible... ask questions about what we believe and i can show you scripture to scripture what the bible says about those things and why we believe them...

not.... oh well brother so and so told me to believe it.. so i do...


if you have ever seen our publications... why not try going into your own copy of the bible and seeing for yourself?

the reason we use "our own" bible.. as people like to say it is... is because it is the newest and easiest to understand tranlation of the bible.. we still use many other translations as well to get the acurate meaning of the scripture writen. the faithful and discreet slave is there to help us understand and to guide us through the bible finding the right scriptures when we need to find them and such...

our website as an online bible and discuses many topics

this is not so we listen to what THEY have to say.. this is so we look into the bible..

every article shows bible scriptures to bakc up what they write...


example..

Clearly, the Bible does not prohibit the drinking of alcoholic beverages. What it does condemn, however, is drinking to excess and drunkenness. Therefore, Paul admonished Christian overseers, ministerial servants, and older women not to give themselves over “to a lot of wine,” and he advised Timothy to take only “a little wine.” (1 Timothy 3:2, 3, 8; Titus 2:2, 3) All Christians are reminded that “drunkards” will not “inherit God’s kingdom.”—1 Corinthians 6:9, 10.



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Answer 5

I can see what road you are following here. The one where JW's are expected to agree with the organisations teachings no matter what, and yes, you are correct, JW's who don't agree are disfellowshipped and not reinstated even when 'new light' is shone forth on the matter. If you had disagreed with the teaching of the end occuring in 1918 you would have been disfellowshipped and remained so even when 1918 came and yet. If you had anorgan transplant you would have been disfellowshipped and not reistated when the ruling was changed. The question here is about total obediance to the society, not scripture. Having said all that I think you could have chosen a better example than you have because lots of people will just see the subject matter and get upset and not see the point you are trying to make.

Answer 6

No. I also don't believe they would ever print something like that because they never have before.

I don't believe Jesus was homophobic either but that he preached to all regardless of their sexual orientation.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 seems to support this. Please note verse 11 especially.

P.S. by "homophobic" I mean "hating the person who identifies as Gay and/or homosexual." In other words, hate the sin, not the sinner.

Answer 7

It is not what man says, it all about what the Bible says. If Jehovah Witnesses went away from what the Bible teaches, I would have no choice not to believe them. The only reason I became a Jehovah's Witness, is because they reference anything that they print in the Watchtower is from the Bible. I choose Jehovah over all people and follow what is in the Bible.

Answer 8

No.

UPDATE:
I wouldn't believe them because Jesus was a perfect man and couldn't be born a homosexual. Its just that simple.

Witnesses aren't forced to believe in anything, its all based on their decision on what they believe is the truth. If I found many thing wrong with what they teach, then I wouldn't be a Witness.


UPDATE:
1 - If they said no then they would obviously have believe that the cross is not pagan.

2 - This won't be because holy mountain of Jehovah was said to come to a accurate knowledge in the last days.. So don't expect major changes such as this.

UPDATE:
95% of the Jehovah's Witnesses will accept it? You're stating stuff based on ignorance, and thats what you're proving to be. Changes have to be made when coming from apostate Christianity, and coming to accurate knowledge of the Bible requires changes.

Why did God say the true knowledge will come in the last days? Why did he say the sacred secret will be revealed in the last days? That being said, change is needed.. isn't it?

What about the churches? Just because they haven't changed their false pagan beliefs, does that make them acceptable to you?

UPDATE:
No, the last days took place since the birth of Jesus' Kingdom, which happen in 1914. Is the date created by the organization? No, because based on Bible calculations, and world events, that was when the last days stated.

The last days is not when Jesus arrives, because theres many things that have to take place prior to his arrival.

Also, who said the new truths and secrets are for the apostates? also don't believe every other scripture is talking about the 144,000.

You're just running around circles as a ignorant person, and your logic isn't really working at all. It really seems to me that you don't know anything about the Bible at all.

Answer 9

You are just causing issues and thus speak much about yourself.

JWs believe in the Bible.
1 Cor 6:9 states ". Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10 nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom"

Those moral laws from the Bible won't change.

What do you call a person who always see the bad in another person but not the good?

If a bad person repented and stopped his wrongdoings and mistakes, is it Christian to continually call that person names as if that person never changed?

Answer 10

I agree with Alex, and Lillie.

What is your problem, or point?

Why should we assume such a stupidity???!! It's an offense to God and Jesus. This is a very stupid Question, so stupid, I won't even bother answering.

But I'll take the 2 points thou. LOL

Answer 11

What is your problem??
The Bible clearly states that Jehovah God finds homosexuality detestable.
Why on earth would Jesus all of a sudden be a homosexual? It makes absolutely no sense other than to feed your anger.
What did Jehovah ever do to you to make you so angry???