Why do people who talk about 1998 conveniently neglect to mention the surrounding years?

Question

Recently there has been a fixation in this section regarding 1998 being the hottest year on record, which they conclude must mean that global warming has "stalled".

Why do these people neglect to mention that with the exception of 1998, every year in the 1990s was cooler than every year since 2000? In fact, if you ignore 1998, no year in *at least* the past 1000 years has been even close to the average global temperatures from 2001-2007.

Choose whichever temperature graph you like:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/2005/ann/global-blended-temp-pg.gif
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png

So why does this argument neglect every single year except 1998? Do you think it's perhaps because in reality global warming has not "stalled"?

http://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/t1998.jpg

Mark - Pielke is obviously wrong. I have presented the data refuting his claims.

Pielke is making the same dishonest claims as everyone who says "it has not warmed/has cooled since 1998". No individual year has been as warm as 1998 (except maybe 2005, depending which temp record you use), but the trend has continued to warm.

I don't understand why Pielke, who you revere so highly, would make such a dishonest argument.

Punker - um, the MWP was 1000 years ago. That's why i said *at least*, because although we are almost certainly warmer right now than during the MPW, that's not the point of this question anyway.

That you liked the Swindle says it all.

Answer 1

Because those are cold hard facts.....and if they don't fit into my world views, then I'm not going to use them!

Answer 2

There's a lot of 'convenient neglecting' going on. It's the only way the climate models fit.

" In fact, if you ignore 1998, no year in *at least* the past 1000 years has been even close to the average global temperatures from 2001-2007."

Were you there a thousand years ago, or did you just find some tree rings that seem a little fat and conclude that it was cooler than now?

Answer 3

from Roger Pielke, Sr.

"the globally averaged lower atmosphere has not warmed in the last nine years (and, in fact, is cooler than it was in 1998)."

Could it be that stalling is the appropriate term to use when discussing the temperature trend being flat since about 1998?

The way you phrase this question is odd, because stalling is the appropriate word to use. Up to 1998, temperature anomaly was accelerating to a peak in 1998, then the anomaly plateaued (i.e. stalled).

EDIT:

Your graphs from CRU do not bear out your statement about a continuing upward trend since 1998. Look at them again. NH has a very sligt positive slope, SH has a negative slope, and global is flat.

Answer 4

Who cares if it's a teeny bit warmer this decade than it was the last one? Oh my gosh, it's one degree warmer on 12/07/07 than it was on 12/07/06! Run for your life everyone.
My apologies for the sarcasm, but I just can't take it any more. CLIMATE CHANGES!!!! It's just a way of life. And who says that it was better to have temperature the way it was in the 1990's?
You say "no year in *at least* the past 1000 years has been close to the average global temperatures from 2001-2007," and then you go on to accuse Pielke of lying. I think you forgot about a few hundred years of earth's history. What ever happened to the Medieval Warm Period? Read this page (especially argument 2):
http://www.globalwarmingawarenessblog.com/globalwarming-is-not-due-to-manmade-carbon-dioxide.html
(Please don't start bashing the Swindle movie that the pictures are taken from, because it was great.)
Scientists and politicians who have been pushing for government regulations on CO2 emissions have conveniently erased the warmest period in the last 1000 years of earth's history, to make our current warming trend seem much more drastic than it actually is. How is that honest, I ask you?
So why do people who talk about 1998 conveniently neglect the 400 years (BEFORE industrialization, may I add) that were so much hotter than 1998 and ALL of the surrounding years?
(I would also like to add that your graphs look pretty dramatic, but then the fact that all of them are on scales of less than a degree of difference kind of ruins the effect. Even if we are 0.5 degrees warmer than we have been, what's the fuss?)

Answer 5

Oh good, we've been going to determine that he replaced into traveling his stepfather in a rustic that usually serves canine meat as a food on the age of 10, while he had no voice in choosing what meal he wanted or not... riiiiiiiight... tell me which you in no way asked your self "why" he did what he did. because of the fact a logical person could understand that engaging in subculture at an age the place you consume what's given to you is extremely regularly occurring.

Answer 6

At the Equator where the greenhouse process should be more evident than any other latitude, with the exception of the warming caused by El-Nino events, the warming has stopped if not reversed, and sea surface temperatures have been on steady decline for almost six years.

http://www.ssmi.com/rss_research/climate_change_in_the_tropics.html

This is in direct conflict with the AGW theory, when are you going to stop trying to mislead people?
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Answer 7

That is only due to myopic folks like yourself that do not acknowledge climate history. The last warm age was even hotter! You'll never get it! Oy vey!

Answer 8

Here are the numbers from NASA. Clearly 1998 was the warmest year during this time. It was as warm as 1934.

After1998, the temperatures decreased. There hasn't been any year warmer since even though co2 has continually increased.

And yes, the US is part of the globe, it's not called other country warming.

Answer 9

Most people are so stupid that they do not realize that if there is a global trend the latest point is not necessarily the extreme one.


PEOPLE PLEEEAAASE, STUDY SOME STATS !!!!