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the founding fathers religions were no known but seem to be diest or even atheists... and certainly did not believe in the mixture of religion and politics.

how would you respond to that dawkinian arguement?

2007-12-07 06:27:33 · 23 answers · asked by Nick 4 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

anouther dawkinian arguement, freedom of religion has tooken over, cristainity is beond the law and other , more essential rights are being abandoned..

2007-12-07 06:31:56 · update #1

anouther dawkinian arguement, freedom of religion has token over, cristainity is beond the law and other , more essential rights are being abandoned..

2007-12-07 06:32:03 · update #2

the point i am raising is the local dimwittted american neighbour who shots this out with little knowledge of his heritate.

2007-12-07 06:33:35 · update #3

i think the reason Britain has became so religiously shy is because of event of the USA, just a theory..

2007-12-07 06:36:36 · update #4

Tony, i appoligise for my slight dyslexia...

2007-12-07 06:37:40 · update #5

'gorgeous', but quotes have been interpretated to work to opposite effect...

2007-12-07 06:39:47 · update #6

'donthatemecauseyouaint..', i agree with most you say, my point is that how the government has changed and yet they use christainity in their preechings to persuade the religious majority and hence they bring religion into politics...

2007-12-07 06:42:20 · update #7

'marsha' using spelling to suggest my incompidence of avoid the question is mere point chasing and no contribution, thank you.

2007-12-07 06:44:00 · update #8

23 answers

That's right. Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin and some of the others were decidedly NOT Christian.

Much as some fundamentalists try to deny that, it's simple history: they did not want the US to have Christianity (or anything else) as its official state religion because they knew first hand how that turns a goverment into a tyranny under the guise of "theocracy" very fast.

Smart guys.

2007-12-07 06:30:02 · answer #1 · answered by Acorn 7 · 14 3

The freedom of religion is a clause stating that no religion shall be established and that no person can be persecuted for practicing his religion. I don't know that this gives us a glimpse into what the founding fathers believed or did not believe, although its hard to argue with biographies and the like that say many of the founding fathers were not Christian and some were atheists. I think they put that clause in the Constitution because they knew while the country is a majority Christian, there are others out there who believe other things. According to the Declaration of Independence, all men are created equal and thus should be treated equally (no matter which religion one wants to believe). They also saw and heard of the religious persecution going on in other countries, especially England, where anyone of non-anglical belief was persecuted.
These were far more intelligent men than you or I and it shows in the way they set up this great country. Think about what it would be like trying to write a Constitution for a government of a country such as ours and then think about the son of a ***** it would be to try and get the people to agree on the rules set forth in that document. Today the Constituion would not be possible because too many people think the government should do too many things.

2007-12-07 06:37:25 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 2 1

perhaps they take such concepts as a poll: we are a Christian u . s . a . because of the fact maximum persons of electorate are Christians. i'm not sure that's actually genuine, yet actual there are extra Christians than atheists. a stable a lot of them may well be Christians in call in uncomplicated terms, yet i assume that counts. As to the founding fathers, they made it abundantly sparkling that they weren't founding a Christian u . s . a .. there's a rationalization why there is the clause approximately no non secular attempt for containing public workplace interior the form, and why the form might desire to no longer be ratified without the invoice of Rights. the 1st substitute comes first for an exceptionally stable reason. additionally, i think of maximum Masons are a minimum of nominally Christian.

2016-10-01 02:21:56 · answer #3 · answered by southand 4 · 0 0

Revisionist made it a separation of church and state men took it to far away from what was intended, separation of church and state originally came from an obscure letter from t Jefferson the founded fathers did not want one religion dominating another as what they left in England, in those days opening of Congress was more a religious ceremony than a state affair,check available resources> America has always been grounded on Christian principles of giving of worshiping or honoring God and Jesus Christ our lord and Savior. Cant be changed cant be denied! Abraham Lincoln at Gettysburg had a conversionn experience his greatest work happened after the conversio, Emancipation proclamation,George Washington was decidedly Christian he was such a man of character and substance everyone respected him so much they offered him kingship,he was so humble he rejected it,he had a visitation from an angelic being that gave him a vision of what America was to become,it frightened him deeply. This country has gone so far downward in my 52 years of life that to say christanity does not make a difference is an absurtidy, I went to school when they took prayer out I saw what its done and what it is doing,people have become lovers of thenselves having a form of religion....kind of biblical,one thing for sure Christ knows the hour and day of his return are you ready,Its close! Thomas Jefferson in his 1801 inaugral address," I join in addressing him whos kingdom ruleth over all,To direct the adminastration of affairs to their own greatest good" seperation of church and state indeed! here was an atheist with common sense>

2007-12-07 06:43:38 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 1 1

Well, you have to understand that in the coloniel days, ones life was ones religion. So yes, not only was polotics mixed with religion but were actualy one and the same. There wasn't one political lecture or speach, law made, law turned down, wars faught, so on and so forth, that this country's religion had everything to do about it. Not till people started beliveing in seperation in church and state (Around the early 20th centery) was there a problom of Chrisatian religon in the walls of our politics. Our country is soooooooooo diferant then what it was 70 years ago.

2007-12-07 06:38:54 · answer #5 · answered by Sir Narnian 3 · 2 1

When you say "Christian country" what do you mean? That the state religion is Christianity? Or that many of our social values and laws are based upon Judeo-Christian tradition? Or that the majority of the country is Christian?

If you define what you mean, then I can respond to the "dawkinian arguement".

2007-12-07 06:32:04 · answer #6 · answered by Open Heart Searchery 7 · 2 0

America was founded by folks that were Unitarians and Universalists (Now together under one banner UU). They didn't believe in the crap that most Christian sects espouse over who gets saved and who doesn't...Hence Universalist...meaning everyone gets saved. The Unitarians believed in the singularity of A GOD and didn't per se acknowledge Jesus as savior. In other words the Holy Trinity didn't hold any Holy Water for them, lol!!! At any rate that's where some of the founding fathers came from. Others were Christian, Puritan, Amish, and other mostly Protestant denominations...Happy Holidays!

2007-12-07 06:33:42 · answer #7 · answered by thebigm57 7 · 1 2

This Nation was founded upon Christian philosophy, the founders came from a wide group of beliefs, none of them wanted to see a theocracy put in place. It would however be a travesty of history to remove God from the historical texts of our nation and its traditions.

2007-12-07 06:38:33 · answer #8 · answered by Rational Humanist 7 · 3 0

Separation of church and state simply means that the government has no right to set up an official state church, like they had in England.

One Nation Under God ... In God We Trust ... U.S. Constitution based on Biblical principals.

And, when the founding fathers had a disagreement, many of them prayed about it, instead of arguing about it..

God Bless America ... have a great day!

2007-12-07 06:37:59 · answer #9 · answered by David G 6 · 1 1

America was not founded AS a Christian country, but rather, on Christian PRINCIPLES.

If you go back to the archives of the historical records, you'll see that this darkinian thingy is a bunch of fables and conjectures printed up to discredit our "founding fathers".

The principle behind this country was freedom of religion without governmental restrictions, because they had left a religiously intolerant government behind and wanted to protect against that from happening again.

It's amazing how that the facts shed light on all the false and phony propaganda going around!

2007-12-07 06:33:23 · answer #10 · answered by no1home2day 7 · 2 3

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