Isn't the fact that homesexuality is present amongst animals, proof that it is natrual?

Question

and that nothing is wrong with it?

I really hate quoing wikipedia but...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals

Answer 1

believers consider things to be true when they find them in their holy book.

atheists believe things to be true when we see them for ourselves.

from a believer's point of view an atheist knows nothing.

from an atheist's point of view a believer knows nothing.

Answer 2

Homosexuality in itself does not exist in nature, because for the vast majority of animals, with the exception of swans and some others, there is nothing that could really be considered love.

For instance a wolf, wolves will fight to become the alphamale, the alphamale gets whatever he wants because he can. No one is strong enough, if they are, they are soon to become the alpha. Now, if you see 2 male wolves at it, it isnt going to be something like 2 homosexuals because the wolves are not in love. It would in fact be a more dominance thing.

Just my point. I'm not saying it doesnt exist, but just that nature doesnt have the same feelings or emotions we have. At least that we know of.

Answer 3

I don't have a problem with homosexuality, but I do question your logic. Are you suggesting it would be okay for a mother of twins to eat the weaker baby? Just because the other animals are doing it doesn't mean you should. If a lemming jumped off a cliff...
Certainly it proves that homosexuality is natural, but not all natural behaviours are tolerated by human society. Personally I think the fact that homosexuality doesn't harm anyone is a much better reason for saying that there's nothing wrong with it.

Answer 4

Who cares if it's natural? A lot of what we do is unnatural for every other species of animal -

We use technology
We use medicine
We care for the sick, dying, disabled, elderly, etc
We cook our food
We farm crops
We make and wear clothes
We enjoy recreational activies and music
Most of us are extremely materialistic
We trade
We have sex for recreation

All of these things are "natural" for us because our ancestors set the standard for our existence. Why should same-sex relationships be considered taboo when same-sex (and only same-sex) attraction exists within people and does not cause damage to society?

I think most people are just hung up on religious fears, like "allowing" same sex relationships to exist will damn us in the same way Sodom and Gammorah (which were sexually immoral, not homosexual) was damned and destroyed in the Bible. And to be fair, it's unreasonable and unfair to people who are homosexual and don't have a choice, unless you class celebacy or ssuppressing your sexuality as an option (which I don't).

Answer 5

The fact that it's "present" among humans proves that it's "natural."

The alternative, for fundie types, is to believe that gay people are just trying to annoy them and insult God by "choosing" to be gay. Because that makes a lot of sense, right? And it really doesn't matter what logic or rationale you use to demonstrate otherwise. These are the people who believe the Noah's Ark legend literally. LITERALLY. I think we can safely consider them to be lost causes. If you could actually convince them of anything, you'd have every reason to be suspicious of your own methods.

Answer 6

There is an essential and looming difference between the animals and mankind. We have a soul and are created in the spiritual image of God.

You look at what the animals do and think it's natural. However, they do BECAUSE they are animals and don't know any better. When we, as humans, embrace this same type of action, then we are lowering ourselves to the level of animals. We are deliberately denying our true heritage in God.

Answer 7

You know, you're absolutly right. I made a similar point before in an answer, saying that I once two male dogs 'at it', and got the reply that the animals do this, not out of homosexuality, but to desplay dominance. That is clearly untrue.

Answer 8

Whether or not it is a choice, should NOT be related to whether or not it is right or wrong.

In an ideal world without hate-preaching bigots, people would be allowed to choose whatever sexuality they wanted.

It just so happens that sexuality ISN'T a choice. I mean... that would imply that every straight man CHOSE that he would be attracted to girls:

"Oh, I think I'll find girls attractive. I've decided arbitrarily that I'll find certain physical features attractive. I've also decided that when I see these physical features, I will, by sheer willpower, make my penis go erect."

Sure, that sounds believable.............

Answer 9

Why is it that you only hear about male homosexuality? If it truly is genetic, then there should be statistics on lesbians. I have not heard much from the female gay argument. Have you?

Answer 10

But we are not animals no matter how scientists classify us,
if being present among animals makes it right then why don't we all live in the jungle and kill each other for food!!

Answer 11

Not only many species, mah dear. ALL species studied, excluding those that do not sexually reproduce, have been found to exhibit homosexuality.

And if it's "unnatural" because homosexuals don't use their naughty bits "for natural purposes," should we ban people who can walk on their hands from getting married, too?