Atheist!explain yourselves how the big bang was created from non-existance..?

Question

Try making a small bang from non-existence instead if you can.Can it be created?

Answer 1

Unfortunately, this kind of information is usually concealed in what scientists like to call "books".....

I'll try to get you started, the big bang that is theorized to have created our universe in its present form did NOT start from nothing..... If you truly want an answer, it's not too hard to find a source to explain things further...

I'd love to hear a logical explanation as to how your "god" came to be from nothing though.....oh, and I feel it's well within my rights to request that your answer not require god to be the singular exception to every known law of the universe............((crickets chirping))........still waiting......

Perhaps you should avoid entering into a battle of wits when you are so obviously short of ammunition....

Answer 2

I am not per se an atheist, however, I do espouse a lot of ideas that most religious people on this board would deem "atheist". Here is my answer:

Atheists (at least classical ones) do not claim to have an answer for everything. Some people view answers to the Universe's mysteries with a shopper's eye: the shelf is mostly bare, so instinctively feel that they HAVE to take whatever explanation is available. Some (and this includes most atheists) do not believe they should accept religion's answer just because they don't have an alternative. It is okay not to know. It really is.

Consider this: the human civilization -- if you count the appearance of first cities as the beginning of civilization -- is only about 10 000 years old. To say that this is extremely young on the cosmic scale would be a tremendous understatement. While we fancy ourselves the Masters of the Universe, with the ability to manipulate at will the courses of at least our own planet, the truth is, we are still living in deep antiquity -- in prehistory even, if you use the Kardashev Scale as your yardstick. Again, our civilization is only 10 thousand years old -- can you imagine what we will be like, or what we will know in, say, a million years?

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's ridiculously presumptuous for anyone, regardless of religious affiliation, to claim to have an understanding of our origins at this point in our development. There are still many, many surprises awaiting mankind in the distant future -- and both religious people and atheists will be suprised, I guarantee you. As for religion, the discovery of the "New World" has already forced believers to re-examine their beliefs and what they supposedly "knew". If any lesson is to be taken from this, is that you should be prepared to have doubts cast on your "knowledge" as well -- on many things, including how the Universe came about, what was "before" (time is one of the dimensions of the universe, so it's a bit incorrect to talk about the "time before" it came into being), what will be "after", and what, if anything, is "beyond" the Universe.

Answer 3

Where did the "big bang" come from? That's a very good question and I honestly do not have an answer for that. However, Christians (and theists in general) have to answer the question "if God created the universe, then where did God come from?". According to Occam's Razor, the simplest answer is usually the correct one. It is just simpler and more practical to assume that the universe itself either sprang into existence out of nothingness or it has always been around in some form or other, than it is to believe that the universe was created by a supernatural being who either has always been around or He just sprang into existence at some point and then ascribing a whole bunch of mythology to it. From a strictly rational point of view, the former explanation eliminates unnecessary steps. And the way I see it, if there is a God, he must be a logical being and He would not punish people for using their God-given sense of reason.

Answer 4

Who said it was? Please find where any atheist has said this. I don't know of any, with any qualifying experience, who have pushed this idea.

Sorry, but we really know nothing about what happened outside the Big Bang, including whether there was something or nothing. Note, I can't even say "before the universe" because time was so twisted at that time, the term doesn't really apply.

The Big Bang could have been some kind of grand quantum event. It is theorectically possible for something to come from nothing as long as the opposite something is also created. The net energy, in that case, is zero. However, we really have no evidence that this was the genesis of the universe.

The Big Bang could have also been just a single bubble of expansion in a larger mega-universe that is full of myriad other universes. Again, we have no evidence to suggest this, other than some theoretical models.

Basically, the only thing we can say about what caused the Big Bang, if anything, is "We don't know".

Now, tell me this...

How does human ignorance of the universe's origins demonstrate the existence of any god? It doesn't. Therefore, the most you can say is "We don't know", also. Anything else is just making stuff up out of ignorance.

Answer 5

Actually, I don't think anyone every stated that unless it was at your church. Fact is, people often repeat things that they do not know because they heard it elsewhere.... This is really not a good way to go into an argument.

Here is a brief definition of the big bang:

"According to the Big Bang model, the universe developed from an extremely dense and hot state. Space itself has been subsequently expanding, carrying galaxies (and all other matter) with it."

The universe, as I hope you read, came from an extremely dense and hot state... not nothing. One of the laws of conservation of matter states that matter can NOT be created or destroyed. It can only change from one state to another.

Sounds like the universe simply came from an infinitely dense piece of something and not nothing... If you would like to learn more, then open a book.

Answer 6

The big bang doesn't claim that anything was created from nothing.

Thank you for letting us know right off the bat that you have never actually read anything about the big bang theory, (other than Christian attempts at disproving it).

The big bang claims that the universe (our universe) was once extremely small and dense. All matter was compressed down into an infinitely small singularity.

When the big bang occured, that singularity started to expand, and our universe began to form. The expansion is why we have time.

Eventually we will reach a point when the universe will stop expanding, and it will start to contract. This is known as 'the big crunch'. It will eventually contract back to the same singularity.

Nowhere does 'big bang theory' claim something came from nothing. Thanks for playing though!!

Answer 7

in spite of the certainty that many ought to think of that a deity is logical, it isn't any longer. the two aspects require an quantity of popularity as certainty. all of us understand that capability can neither be created nor destroyed in accordance to the regulations of physics. This makes the assumption of a deity arising the universe, or perhaps its aspects, illogical. the certainty that your merely end is a deity with the aid of fact of there being no foundation of the situation is extremely puzzling. making use of the comparable argument as my first element, we are able to additionally end that the assumption of a deity's existence generally with the aid of chronological order of the universe. Why might there be one million sentient being earlier any solid rely? If a deity would be continuously, why can merely trouble-free rely no longer be? the only distinction is that a deity is far less perfect as quickly as we glance into Occam's Razor. the assumption of the great Bang calls for the least assumptions, so it is the main clever. I actually haven't any theory how the relationship of deity to universe occurred in good judgment or why the assumption hasn't been deserted thoroughly.

Answer 8

There is nothing within the Big Bang theory which states that it was created from nothingness.

The Big Bang theory deals with the expansion of the universe from a dense, hot state to a cooler, more diffuse state over time (the expanding universe), and fits all of the observations we have made to date.

It does not specifically deal with how that universe came to be.

Check out this article from Scientific American that actually goes into the possible explanations of the origins of the universe that then underwent the expansion known as the 'Big Bang'

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=00042F0D-1A0E-1085-94F483414B7F0000

Answer 9

What is it with so many people who don't understand what the word "atheist" means? An atheist doesn't necessarily believe in the big bang.

Atheism is merely the concept that there is no god. It is not predicated on science or evolution. Why is it so difficult for some people to pound that into their brains?

And as for the concept of the Big Bang, you further show your ignorance. Please look to science who is able to prove that matter can come about in a vacuum, with no input of energy. A particle and an anti-particle can come into existence without violating any law of thermodynamics. As they are opposite in energy, and as they cancel each other out, the fact is, together, they are nothing.

Please look at such things as quantum vacuum fluxuations, or spontaneous generation of mattter.

Also, remember the words of Mark Twain who said, "It's not what you don't know that makes you look stupid, but what you do know that ain't so."

Answer 10

Anyone who claims the big bang came from "non-existence" really doesn't have a clue about big bang theory.

Big Bang theory suggests that all the matter in the universe was condensed within a small area prior to the big bang, it didn't just come from no where.

And if you're going to retort with the typical "Well where did that matter come from if not from God?" I'm going to preempt you with "We don't know and neither do you."

Answer 11

There is no "creation from non-existence", that is your myth. Theists are the ones who believe a god "created the big bang from non-existence". If I actually believed the big bang was "created from non-existence" then I would be a theist and not an atheist.

I don't believe anything is "created". Instead I believe the reality we see is selected from timeless necessary logical truth ( what we call mathematics). The key here is a powerful selection effect (our existence ) which selects the portion of reality we find ourselves in. Only in very interesting portions (ones that appear as rapidly expanding space-time) of this vast infinite reality could we have evolved.

As mathematics ( necessary logical truth ) is fundamental and necessary it is not created. Existence, in my opinion, simply equals necessary truth. Mathematics "just is" because it is necessary and tautologically simple ( Zero complexity ). But Mathematics does not create reality. Mathematics is reality.

Our understanding of reality is layered. You see the world in terms of large physical objects. But you are aware that those are illusions made up of atoms, and atoms in turn are made of smaller particles. Many believe that these so called "fundamental" particles are not fundamental but are built on a layer of mathematical objects called strings. My belief is that all reality including space-time itself is built upon mathematics and mathematics is what is truly fundamental.

The reason why we see top layers instead of lower layers is due to our inability to see all of the the details in the lower layers.

The reasons for my belief are way too involved to cover here so I will just post a link to something simple enough that you might understand it. I fear my actual reasons are likely to be well beyond your comprehension unless you have a very advanced graduate physics background.

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0704/0704.0646v1.pdf

The problem with the god hypothesis is your god needs to be more complex and hence more unlikely than the reality you are attempting to explain. Saying your god just is, still leaves a much bigger question than you had to begin with.