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Question

Isn't it a sign of deficient faith when a sick Christian isn't healed or a Christian isn't delivered from danger?
It would be a serious mistake to imply that deficient faith accounts for all instances in which a person does not receive healing or deliverance.
It's true that Scripture tells of people who were healed or delivered from danger because of their faith. Some examples are Gideon ( Judges 7:15-23 ); Naaman the Syrian ( 2 Kings 5:14-15 ); Shadrach, Meschach, and Abednego ( Daniel 3:19-29 ); the centurion's servant ( Matthew 8:13 ); the woman with an issue of blood ( Matthew 9:20-22 ); the man with a withered hand ( Matthew 12:9-13 ); and Peter's deliverance from prison ( Acts 12:5-12 ). Even this partial list is impressive.
Clearly, faith in God may result in healing and deliverance. However, the Scriptures also show us just as clearly that there are times when a believer's suffering or sickness has nothing to do with a lack of faith.
When Job lost his family, wealth, and physical health, his friends "comforted" him with the message that his loss and suffering were due to his own moral failure (his lack of faith). But Job was confident in his integrity before God. God Himself had declared him perfect and upright ( Job 1:8 ). Later, God Himself denied the explanation that Job's "counselors" gave for his suffering ( Job 13:1-15 ). Even more importantly, God Himself denounced their words ( Job 42:7-8 ).
Job's faith wasn't the problem. In fact, Job's faith in God was so strong that he, without cursing or disrespect, defended his integrity to God and questioned Him about the injustice of his suffering. Yet, in the midst of his agony, he continued to trust:

Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him. Even so, I will defend my own ways before Him. He also shall be my salvation, for a hypocrite could not come before Him (Job 13:15-16).

For I know that my Redeemer lives, and He shall stand at last on the earth; and after my skin is destroyed, this I know, that in my flesh I shall see God, whom I shall see for myself, and my eyes shall behold, and not another. How my heart yearns within me! (Job 19:25-27).
Job's faith was eventually rewarded and vindicated. But he wasn't spared the terrible suffering that allowed his faith to be tested and proven.
Even at a time when miracles often occurred, God allowed Stephen to be stoned ( Acts 7:59-60 ) and James to be beheaded. Although Acts 12 tells of Peter's supernatural deliverance from captivity in prison, Jesus had already prophesied that he would eventually die a martyr's death ( John 21:17-19 ), as (according to tradition) did all of the other disciples except John.
In 2 Corinthians 11:23-30 Paul eloquently described the suffering and trials from which he hadn't been delivered. He also suffered from a particular "thorn in the flesh" ( 2 Corinthians 12:7, 10 ) for which God had not provided a remedy. When Timothy suffered from a stomach ailment, Paul didn't exhort him to have greater faith. Instead he told him to take some wine as medicine ( 1 Timothy 5:23 ). There isn't the slightest hint in these passages that Paul's trials and Timothy's sickness were the product of unconfessed sin or deficient faith. In fact, rather than proclaiming that our faith in Christ should deliver us from the suffering and trials of this world, Paul extols the spiritual benefits of suffering.
We also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance, perseverance [produces] character, and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out His love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom He has given us (Romans 5:3-5).
James also made it clear that strong faith is no insurance against suffering:
Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance. Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything (James 1:2-4).
On the basis of Scripture, we can say that faith is always relevant to suffering. Our reaction to suffering -- whether in faith or in despair -- determines whether it will produce spiritual growth or despair. But because spiritual healing is more important to us than our physical circumstances, faith is not a barrier against suffering.
Whenever we are inclined to presume that the illness or suffering of another person is the result of that person's sin, we should recall the foolishness of Job's "counselors" in attempting to explain the mystery of God's will. Although faith won't always deliver us from tribulation, it will keep us conscious of God's promises and of the assurance that He will work everything out to good of His children ( Romans 8:28 ).

Dan Vander Lugt

Answer 1

well put

Blessings!

Answer 2

Who are you trying to talk into this nonsense? The only mystery is that you would believe this.

With all that mystery of your god and how he does good deeds for those who suffer I hope you are not one who goes to the doctor when you are sick. With all that prehistoric garbage you spew out [hopefully you will not become ill] but with that much faith in the mystics you better learn to heal yourself and make it quick. You seem to be suffering from a mental supernatural deity - that which is known as the god delusion.

Answer 3

Is that a question or a lecture ? Give me a break! i am only a poor uneducated Christian and can only follow simple questions where you don't have to be a scholar to untangle them. God is not in the business of healing every Christian who is sick,irrespective of how much faith they have.True some are miraculously cured (for example ,Lourdes) but this is the exception,not the rule.
Jesus accepts our sufferings to teach us the virtue of patience in human illness.All who suffer pain,illness or disease are chosen by God to be Saints and they are joined to Christ in his suffering for the salvation of the world.

Answer 4

Does it make you wonder why the faithful suffer so .
Maybe because the do not have any faith in doing something to improver their lot is all .
If your leg is bleeding , stop and think , is a prayer going to stop the bleeding or is applied pressure and stitches needed .
I wonder just who wants people to believe in God .

those I bet who have something to gain from it .

Like years of loyal service because the bible teaches a man to work hard for the glory of God that all your works are for him .

SO a good days work without stealing from the boss or sleeping with his wife benefits who .

I think the boss wrote the bible .

Answer 5

Unlike those apostate TBN ministers like Benny Hinn. The Bible teaches that strong faith does not mean the christian will not suffer.

The book of Job is the clearest indicator of that.

Answer 6

You seem to contradict yourself. First you imply that suffering is a result of a lack of faith, then go on a lengthy discussion about how this is not true. Maybe I'm not understanding your question.

In any case, the idea that God refuses to heal on the basis of lack of faith is a lie taught by greedy people who try to manipulate people to send money to show their "faith."

Answer 7

only differ with 1 part jesus said no one is perfefect not even i only the father, but i will explain they r the same as true but at the time he was in human flesh and no human is perfect we alll fall short of the glory of god........as for the rest i think some is lack of faith others no it it gods will

Answer 8

Dear Sir

We live in the last days, where there are many false prophets generating false spurious faith. The book of Revelation showed to us the kind of blindness within Christendom, in the Laodicean times.

To think that we are justified as like Job, is nothing short of presumption that our end times faith, are even as great or greater than Job. It would be best we repent in dust and ashes, and seek to plead God to forgive our sins; than to think that we are indeed suffering for righteousness sake.
Shalom

Answer 9

You must remember, that God always restores whatever is lost when we do suffer. Even though we aren't immune to suffering, that doesn't mean that God won't restore in the end. All suffering God allows us to go through, He allows it to shape us in the image of Christ.

Answer 10

Answer = Stay in the favor of GOD , you never know if GOD will test you, better pray you'll live thro the experience.

Childbirth, child raising, scornful teenagers, They're all trials

Answer 11

Dan, I didn't see any need for us to answer this because you explained it already on your own... belief... and yes, we will not understand the meaning of happiness if we hadn't experienced sadness..... and so there is morning after night, so on and so forth, my point is " Let's just keep our love and faith in God, let's love one another as we love ourselves ... and continue our journey in this world ... in the end, we will know the real purpose of our existence...