Why don't more believers use ontological arguments? Seriously, they just sound stupid and uneducated when they use faith or "feeling God's presence" as an explanation. Also ontological proofs make more sense, and the followers would be taken more seriously.
2007-12-06 15:21:20 · 7 answers · asked by mannzaformulaone 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Ontological arguments have been pretty much refuted so it wouldn't actually matter.
2007-12-06 15:30:46 · answer #1 · answered by bestonnet_00 7 · 2⤊ 1⤋
As far as i remember not even one ontological argument have withstood heavy scrutiny, actually the faith argument is about the only one which can withstand scrutiny cause it can't be tested, so as a matter of fact their silly arguments are better than yours.
2007-12-06 23:27:02 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋
Any atheist worth his salt will destroy a "believer" in any kind of "debate" asking for proof.
There is none.
Atheists will win every single time. Some believers don't get that, and try to cite "proofs". But within minutes, their "proofs" will be soundly refuted, and they will finally get down to the nitty gritty.
Their beliefs are not logical, and there is no proof supporting them.
They just have faith.
And that is the end of every single "debate" you will ever see.
The believers need to just state that from the get go and stop wasting everyone's time.
"I have faith" = "I refuse to accept reality".
If they will just be honest about it, we can save a lot of time.
2007-12-06 23:28:03 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 7⤊ 1⤋
They probably don't know what "ontological" means...
2007-12-06 23:26:34 · answer #4 · answered by eris 4 · 6⤊ 0⤋
that there is religion on earth is undeniable... but they are decpetive in their teaching.... they are owned slaves that seek to provide their slave owner with more slaves... what is coming is not the end of the world but the exposure of religion and the beginning of the end of religion
2007-12-06 23:41:59 · answer #5 · answered by Gyspy 4 · 2⤊ 0⤋
All they do is post up Bible quotes, and use that as "fact."
2007-12-06 23:28:00 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 0⤋
Rom 1:15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written. The just shall live by faith.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
2007-12-06 23:26:45 · answer #7 · answered by Jesus M 7 · 1⤊ 9⤋