Where are clear scriptures where Jesus is called "God the Son," (equal to those declaring "God, the Father)?

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The knowledge of who God is is of primary importance and, according to the Bible, means everlasting life. (John 17:1, 3; 2 Thess 1:7, 8)

So if the Son really is God, then there should be an ABUNDANCE of CLEAR statements saying "God the Son" (equal to those declaring "God, the Father – Ro. 15:6; 1 Cor. 1:3; 1 Cor. 8:6; 2 Cor. 11:31; Gal. 1:1; Eph. 4:6; 1 Thess. 1:1; 2 Thess. 1:2; etc.) found in scripture from the beginning.

Shouldn't the belief (or non-belief) in the Trinity be founded on what is encompassed with what the Bible says AS A WHOLE instead of focusing on a few misinterpreted scriptures?
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Brother Michael,

There is a distinct DIFFERENCE between the phrase "Son OF God" and God THE Son".

The Trinity doctrine stipulates that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all somehow God. But the phrases "God's Son" and "Son OF God" are actually demonstrating the inaccuracy of the Trinity by showing that God is a SEPERATE PERSON from the Son and therefore the Son cannot BE God.


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Answer 1

I'm not a Trinitarian, but I don't think this particular verse is hard to interpret. In my opinion Jesus is not saying that Jesus is not God. He is saying that the Father is the only true God. So, if the Father is the only true God, what does that leave Jesus? If you look a little further in this same chapter of John you see that Jesus says repeatedly that God the Father and Jesus are One. The Father is the only true God, but Jesus includes himself in the Father, because the Father is in Jesus, and Jesus is in the Father. If the Father and the Son are one, then both of them are in the godhead. Both the Father and the Son are the one true God. In this prayer Jesus shows his deference to His Father. This verse must be taken in context with all the rest of the Bible, which time after time shows Jesus to be God, and shows Jesus claiming to be the God of the Old Testament. You can't just take one or two verses out of context to base your theology on. Sorry, I'm sure you didn't want to hear that. Edit. Yes, of course, the Father and the Son are only figuratively one. They are not the same person. But figuratively is also the way you should take John 17:1-3 when you read that only the Father is God. Jesus knew he was also God, as he said on other occassions, but figuratively only the Father is God because figuratively the Father and Son are one, with the Father in the presiding position. They are one in purpose, perfection, Godly attributes, understanding, goodness, and every other characteristic except the same person and the same role in the Godhead. "For instance, Jesus said to the Father in John 17:22, "The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them; that they may be one, just as we are ONE." - NASB" You will note that the verb tense here is future, that they may be one, just as we are ONE. That is right, Jesus was praying that these disciples might eventually become ONE with God, and become gods themselves. I think you need to expand your horizons here.

Answer 2

Nowhere. It's a trinitarian twist. Trinitarians are confused. If the trinity is God, why do they say that Jesus by himself is God.

Take the trinitarian "egg" illustration. The Father is the shell; the Son is the yoke; the holy spirit is the egg white. Combined, they make up God, the entire egg. Can just the shell (Father) be the complete egg (God)? Can just the yoke (Son) be the complete egg (God)? Can just the egg white (holy spirit) be the complete egg (God)? Does this illustration make sense if Jesus is God? No.

Question: If Jesus is God, where does that leave the Father and the holy spirit?

Answer 3

There are none that state that. Curious, isn't it?
If Jesus were God, the Father; God, the Son; God, the Spirit - you would think it would say so someplace wouldn't you?

The scriptures that the two before me listed DO NOT in any way shape or form state that Jesus was God. Rather, they state that he was God's son.

Pretty clear to me.

Answer 4

In all my years of studying and meditating on the scriptures, I can say that I haven't found ONE scripture that testifies to the fact that God and Jesus are equal or ONE!

Just another trinity stumbling block of man and satan to confuse the masses and cheat them out of the gift of life through the salvation of Jesus Christ.

Answer 5

The bible says that Jehovah is greater than Jesus and is the God and head of Jesus.

(John 14:28) YOU heard that I said to YOU, I am going away and I am coming [back] to YOU. If YOU loved me, YOU would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am.

(John 20:17) Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me. For I have not yet ascended to the Father. But be on your way to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR God.’”

(1 Corinthians 11:3) But I want YOU to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God.
The holy spirit is God's active force.

(Matthew 3:11) I, for my part, baptize YOU with water because of YOUR repentance; but the one coming after me is stronger than I am, whose sandals I am not fit to take off. That one will baptize YOU people with holy spirit and with fire.

(Luke 1:41) Well, as Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the infant in her womb leaped; and Elizabeth was filled with holy spirit,

(Acts 2:4) and they all became filled with holy spirit and started to speak with different tongues, just as the spirit was granting them to make utterance.

Answer 6

"Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"

"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

"Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'? Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."
John 10:31-38

Jesus on trial:
"If you are the Christ," they said, "tell us."

Jesus answered, "If I tell you, you will not believe me, and if I asked you, you would not answer. But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God."

They all asked, "Are you then the Son of God?"
He replied, "You are right in saying I am."
Luke 22:67-70

Philip asks to see the Father:
"Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father..." Jesus answered: "___Don't you know me___, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father ... Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me?"
John 14:8-10


You can reinterpret Jesus's words if you like. I understand, I did the same thing myself before I surrendered my life to him. I put all kinds of new agey spins on what Jesus was saying because I was into the occult before I became a Christian.

But if you take the bible at the plain meaning without trying to add to it guesses and conjectures, you will find the teaching is quite clear.

"Who do people say the Son of Man is?"(Jesus is referring to himself as the "son of Man" - he is asking about the rumors that are going around about him)

They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets."

"But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"

Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven."
Matthew 16:13-17

Answer 7

Mat 8:28 And He coming to the other side, into the country of the Gergesenes, two demon-possessed ones met Him, coming out of the tombs, very violent, so that no one was able to pass through that way.
Mat 8:29 And, behold! They cried out, saying, What is to us and to You, Jesus, Son of God? Have You come here beforetime to torment us?

Seems these demons knew who He was.

Mat 14:33 And those in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, Truly, You are the Son of God.

Mat 16:15 He said to them, But you, whom do you say Me to be?
Mat 16:16 And answering, Simon Peter said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And answering, Jesus said to him, Blessed are you, Simon, son of Jonah, for flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but My Father in Heaven.

So did the apostles.

Mat 27:54 But the centurion and those with him guarding Jesus, seeing the earthquake and the things taking place, they feared exceedingly, saying, Truly this One was Son of God.

So did unbelievers.

Clear enough? Got more if you want them. The Scriptures clearly say, Jesus was, and is God, the second member of the trinity, the Son of God.

Answer 8

bible was written by a person and god or his son jesus doesn't exist.